Audio: Leaving Neverland Documentary Featuring Wade Robson And James Safechuck Directed By Dan Reed

Get a couple more shots in.
You know what I want you
to do? Be really brave.
I want you to jump up so you…
Jump as high as you can, so you
and Mike are the same height.
On the count
of three. Okay?
One, two, jump!
Cool! All right.
– I blinked, though, ’cause he threw his arms.
I think when I was with him,
he was happy.
– PHOTOGRAPHER: Michael, you don’t understand that.
– Yeah!
Kids and animals,
they always try to do that.
He was at the peak
of his creativity,
and he was at the peak
of his success.
And everybody wanted to meet
Michael or be with Michael.
He was already larger than life.
And then he likes you.
♪ ♪
He was one of the kindest,
most gentle, loving,
caring people I knew.
He helped me… tremendously.
He helped me with my career.
He helped me with my creativity,
with all of those
sorts of things.
And he also sexually abused me.
For seven years.
♪ ♪
♪ ♪
– GIRL: Want to turn him on?
He just wants to eat it. Oh!
I’m Wade Robson.
♪ ♪
So, I was born
in Brisbane, Australia,
and I am the third
of three kids.
My dad, he worked
in construction for a while,
and then he got into,
like, the fruit business.
So, when I was young,
he had a couple of fruit shops.
And my mother
used to work with him,
with those businesses.
Hi, I’m Joy Robson,
mother of Wade Robson.
– Well, we were a middle-class
Australian family.
♪ ♪
We lived on three acres.
We had horses and angora goats,
and a dog named Sally.
Where’s it supposed to be going?
In here!
JOY: Shane was quite a bit older.
He’s nine and a half years
older than Wade, and he was…
already well into elementary
school when Wade was born.
It was just a, like a,
I think, a three-bedroom,
like, single-story house.
We had a pool.
There was always, like,
always family over,
and I had parties there
and pool parties.
Pretty good memories
from that place.
JOY: Chantal was
very close with him.
Being three years apart,
they played together a lot.
Wade was always a…
a very sensitive boy.
He wasn’t really a guy’s guy.
He wasn’t into, like…
You know, he played basketball
for fun as a little kid,
but if he had a choice
of doing anything,
he was gonna read a book
or listen to music
or dance, you know,
versus going outside to play
football with his friends.
♪ ♪
JOY: He was the
youngest in the area,
so he really had
nobody to play with.
So he and I, we were very close.
We spent a lot of time together.
One, two, three! Go!
I remember one day coming home
with the video of
The Making of Thriller.
Someone had told me that it
would be a collector’s item.
♪ ♪
I really wasn’t a fan of his,
but I did like
some of his music.
WADE: Once I saw that
tape, you know,
everything changed for me.
The music,
I couldn’t help but move to it.
Kind of set me on fire.
You know, just made
everything tingle,
and it was so exciting.
I remember just
watching the tape
over and over again.
Pausing, rewinding.
I would just try over
and over and over again
to really perfect
the complexities
of Michael’s movement.
♪ ‘Cause this is thriller ♪
♪ Thriller night ♪
♪ And no one’s gonna save you ♪
♪ From the beast
about to strike ♪
I slowly but surely started,
you know, plastering
my walls with images of Michael,
and it literally became
like the wallpaper.
going to sleep, waking up in
Michael Jackson land.
♪ ♪
NEWSMAN: Jackson’s world tour
coincides with the release
of his latest album,
entitled Bad.
Sales are good.
A half-million copies were sold
the day it went on the market.
NEWSMAN 2: Not since
Thriller five years ago
has the record industry been
so focused on a single album.
He would’ve just turned five,
and people kept telling me,
you know, he’s really good.
You should, you should do
something with him.
That week, a friend of mine
came to me and said,
“You know Michael Jackson’s
here on the Bad tour.”
I said, yes, actually,
I thought about buying tickets.
But I thought, he’s so young,
I don’t think I…
She said,
“You should go.” She said,
“There’s a dance competition.
You should enter him.
First prize is to meet
Michael Jackson.”
♪ ♪
The competition was only like
a week before the concert.
And he went into the heat,
and they were held
in the Target store.
He had his little hat on,
his little Bad outfit.
My hairdresser
had made it for him.
I was actually too young.
It was, like,
seven or eight, and up,
and I was five at the time.
So, they said, “Well,
you know, he can’t compete”
“because of his age, but, um,
but we’ll let him perform
as, like, a special guest.”
JOY: It’s one of those little things that
he got on stage and everything changed.
He just wasn’t that shy, little
boy, and he had got on stage
and brought the place down.
Everybody was screaming for him.
♪ ♪
And at the end of it,
the store manager was the judge,
and he said, “Well,
I wanna get out of here alive”,
so I’m going to declare
Wade Robson the winner.”
♪ ♪
Michael Jackson’s people
were there to interview
and asked him,
if he could speak to Michael,
what would he say.
I’m gonna ask him if he might
come over to dinner.
Coming over for dinner.
Why would you want him
to come over for dinner?
I want him to…
I want him to show
me how he dances.
Oh, well, that’s a big deal.
You’re gonna see
the show, you know that?
You gonna be able to see
him dance then?
– Mm-hmm.
– You think that’s gonna be nice?
Yeah? Why is that
gonna be so nice?
– Because I get to see him.
– Yeah.
WADE: You know,
this complete impossibility,
this being from another world…
Michael, and supposedly
it was gonna happen,
and we were actually
gonna meet now.
I was just excited
beyond measure.
I remember getting this
glow that sort of
started in my heart
and went to all my extremities.
It was an amazing feeling.
When something magical
was going to happen,
I would get that feeling.
♪ ♪
I’m James Safechuck.
I grew up in a little town
called Simi Valley.
I was pretty happy
and pretty outgoing.
Kind of a performer, I guess.
My father worked
at a rubbish company.
So, we had a family
rubbish company
that my grandfather started.
My mom, she had
a hair styling business,
and, um, I remember being
in the beauty salon as a kid.
I’d hang out there
while she was working
and just sweep the floors.
My name is Stephanie Safechuck.
I’m Jam…
I’m Jimmy’s mother.
When I married Jimmy’s father,
he had two children,
it came with the marriage.
At the time, my husband
had had a vasectomy,
and I didn’t think
I could have any children.
♪ ♪
About three, four years
into the marriage,
I really wanted a baby.
So, my husband had
it reversed for me,
which back then,
they guaranteed nothing.
I was so fortunate
to have a baby.
I just remember having him
and being overwhelmed,
just crying over his crib,
that he’ll always be all right.
He’s my love.
JAMES: I have an older
brother and older sister.
They are much older.
They left home early also, so…
I was alone.
♪ ♪
actually a friend of ours,
her daughter was in commercials,
and ran into
my husband and Jimmy
in the grocery store and said,
“You ought to get
him in commercials.
He is so adorable,”
and gave my husband
the agent’s card.
So, I called the agent,
and when she met him, she said,
“He’s money in the bank.
I’ll take him.”
So, he did very well right away.
♪ ♪
– Mr. Jackson?
I met Michael on the set
of the Pepsi commercial.
I don’t remember being
a huge fan of his at the time.
I was probably more into, like,
Voltron and Transformers.
♪ ♪
This kid wanders
around backstage
and he discovers
the dressing room,
and he goes in there and he
sees the jackets and the hats
and the glasses and all that,
and I’m trying it on.
And then,
Michael walks in and…
and he says…
– MICHAEL: Looking for me?
– They were trying to get
my reaction on camera
the first time I saw him.
So, first time I see him is
actually the shot
that they use in the commercial.
♪ ♪
He invited me
into his, um, trailer.
This was exciting for Jimmy,
and I didn’t want
to be in his way.
I wanted Jimmy to have fun
and have a good day,
so I let Jimmy go
in his trailer,
Michael’s trailer,
with Michael’s hairstylist
and makeup artist, Karen.
And I stayed outside.
What she said to me was,
“He’s like a nine-year-old
little boy.”
So, that made me
feel comfortable.
JAMES: How do you explain
Michael Jackson? (LAUGHS)
He’s larger than life.
There’s no stars like that now,
that kind of megastar.
And everybody wanted to meet
Michael or be with Michael.
He was quiet,
and he laughed a lot at me,
and he was giggly.
The stand-in, we became kind of
buddies, and I looked at him and I said,
“Oh, we’re the luckiest
boys in the world.”
♪ ♪
WADE: He was performing
two nights in Brisbane.
We went to the first night
of the concert just to watch,
and that was the first time
I’d seen him perform live.
♪ ♪
I remember my mind
just being blown.
Experiencing his
energy magnified…
through all those
thousands of people,
and through all those speakers,
you know, and that energy
just kind of shaking
my whole body.
♪ ♪
JOY: We went to the
concert the Friday night,
and we had a meet
and greet with Michael.
♪ ♪
Here he was now…
as, you know,
a seemingly real human being.
He kept commenting
on my Bad outfit,
how great he thought it was.
JOY: And Michael said,
“Were you at the concert tonight?”
And we said yes. He said, “I wish I’d known.
I would’ve put him on stage with me.”
The stage mother
in me kicked in.
I said, “We’ll be
there tomorrow night,”
’cause they had given us
tickets as well as the winner.
So, he said,
“I’ll see what I can do.”
♪ ♪
Wade won a dancing competition
this week on Thursday night
at Indooroopilly.
He won the dancing competition.
These are some of
the photos of him in action.
The next day, I was on…
a TV show,
like a morning TV show.
WOMAN: Wade, come on
over, very quickly,
because we’re gonna
tell everyone.
This is a secret, okay?
This is a bit of a secret.
Now tonight,
what’s gonna happen tonight?
When I saw him, Michael Jackson
told me to go on stage
with him and dance.
WOMAN: Well, best of luck.
I hope you do dance with him tonight.
So, if you’re going to
Michael Jackson tonight,
– keep an eye out for Wade, okay?
– Yeah.
♪ ♪
Music is still blaring,
and all the lights are going,
this intensity.
It was a wild sensation.
♪ ♪
JOY: Then all of a sudden,
this huge black man
came out of nowhere
with a big top hat,
and took Wade
out of Dennis’s arms,
and told us to wait there,
and took him backstage.
You know, being…
The curtains being pulled back,
right, of kind of just the whole
world behind the scenes… his world.
♪ ♪
Michael came up to me
and grabbed my hand,
and just sort of gave
me a signal like,
you know, come on,
like, let’s do it.
I kind of look out
at this sea of people,
– and then something clicked.
And I grabbed my hat,
you know…
(BLOWS)… and threw it off,
and just started going,
started dancing.
♪ ♪
Like, I was him, almost,
for a moment.
I mean, you know,
the center of his stage
with his audience.
♪ Be bad! ♪
♪ Yeah! Ow! I’m bad! ♪
♪ Really, really bad! ♪
♪ Bad, bad,
really, really bad ♪
You got all these other kids,
and Stevie Wonder
was on stage as well.
He was singing with Michael.
♪ Really, really bad ♪
♪ Woo! I’m bad! You know! ♪
We love you!
JOY: And then,
it was time for Michael to leave.
It was the end of the concert,
so he called the kids
to follow him off stage.
But Wade was
so into what he was doing,
he didn’t see that,
and he’s still dancing.
So, Michael’s
sort of walked away
and realized Wade wasn’t coming,
and he turned back
and he laughed.
Michael just clapped
and walked off,
and Wade suddenly realized
everybody was leaving,
so he followed them out.
It was very cute.
♪ Bad, bad,
really, really bad ♪
♪ Bad, bad ♪
Each moment of that actual
kind of eye connection…
(SIGHS) was, uh…
like a bit of a shock
to the system.
That performance,
that meet and greet,
were such dream-like…
experiences, and kind of, um,
sensory overload,
an emotional overload.
♪ ♪
♪ Michael Jackson’s bad! ♪
SHANE: I remember them coming
home after the concert,
and Dad come in my bedroom,
and he was all excited
’cause Wade had danced
with Michael Jackson,
and I remember Dad, kind of,
getting teary-eyed telling us…
telling the story
about it, you know,
dancing with Michael Jackson.
♪ ♪
JOY: The next morning,
I wanted to bring in a thank-you letter
for Michael ’cause
this was his last concert.
He was leaving Australia.
There were a lot of fans around,
and they all recognized Wade.
So, he was a little celebrity.
They were all taking photos
with him and talking to him.
Michael had heard
that we were in the lobby,
and he wanted us
to come up to his room.
And I can remember Wade’s face
just lighting up.
“I’m gonna meet
a real superstar.”
He was so excited.
I mean, this was… Who gets to
meet their hero, their superhero?
This is this little boy
getting to do it twice now.
We end up spending
about two hours with him
in his hotel suite.
♪ ♪
He was in some sort
of editing process
for his Moonwalker film.
It’s like, there he was
on the TV screen,
as I was used to seeing him,
and then there he was,
sitting right next
to me on the bed.
Michael’s hand was
rubbing up and down
on the sheets right beside my
elbow as he was talking to us.
And I can remember thinking,
“Oh my God. I’m on a bed
with Michael Jackson.”
I can remember thinking that no
one’s ever gonna believe this.
It was pretty overwhelming.
We all had
an overwhelming weekend,
that is for sure.
♪ ♪
This little Australian boy,
who had had this other-worldly,
impossible experience
of having this meeting with
my idol and my mentor
and my god.
Like I’d been…
anointed, you know,
in some kind of way.
♪ ♪
♪ ♪
the phone rang, I picked it up.
“Hi, this is Michael.
“I’m calling from
Australia. I was…
I saw Jimmy’s commercial.”
I thought, how touching.
He doesn’t think
it’s his commercial.
He thinks it’s Jimmy’s.
So, I put Jimmy on the phone,
and I could hear Jimmy say,
“People tell me at school
that you’re weird.”
Michael said, “Don’t listen
to what anybody says.”
You know me,
You know I’m not weird,”
and that started
the relationship.
So, Michael’s still
in Australia, and asked
if he could send a crew
to our house to film Jimmy.
So, a crew came.
Jimmy didn’t have
any posters of Michael,
so they put up
posters of Michael
all through Jimmy’s bedroom,
so that when they filmed it,
you know, it was more appealing.
It was exciting for all us,
for the whole family.
And I was thrilled!
Like, wow!
Because it’s, um…
It’s like…
It’s hard to believe
that I can see Michael Jackson
when people just dream
about him.
And that stuff,
it’s really neat.
I sat on the bed and put
all this memorabilia there,
and they just interviewed me,
and then I did a little dance
performance and they filmed that.
♪ You’ve been hit by ♪
♪ You’ve been hit
by a smooth criminal ♪
♪ ♪
♪ Ow! ♪
Now, that I look…
Now that I look back on it,
it’s almost like
an audition for him
when he sends his film crew out.
♪ A crescendo, Annie ♪
♪ He came into your apartment ♪
♪ Left the blood stains
on the carpet ♪
♪ And then you ran
into the bedroom ♪
He didn’t explain it.
I just figured he’s far away.
This is part of how
he can be with people,
and he made it clear
that he was very lonely.
He didn’t have any friends.
And then, his…
secretary or somebody
called and…
asked if we would
like to go to dinner
at the Hayvenhurst house.
♪ ♪
Going to Hayvenhurst, it felt…
it felt magical, I guess.
The house is beautiful.
It had the recording studio,
so we went in there,
and I think we saw
his brothers, said hi.
We had dinner and watched.
Batteries Not Included.
He gets movies
before they come out,
so he had a little
movie theater there.
♪ ♪
I remember seeing his dance
floor for the first time.
Kind of a magical thing to see
Michael at the dance floor,
like, his private dance floor.
♪ ♪
We were so excited.
This was big for us.
Nobody can befriend him.
He has to befriend people.
He’s unapproachable.
So, for him to wanna be
our friend
was, “Oh my God!”
How lucky are we?”
♪ ♪
JAMES: Mom and Dad,
I think they were in awe.
And you’re just starstruck.
You know, it’s, um…
It’s like… (CHUCKLES)
And then at the same time,
he’s becoming a real person.
He’s not this sort of,
like, two-dimensional icon.
He gives you focused attention,
and I think at that age,
you want to be important,
and you want to be
noticed and loved.
So, it’s a powerful, um,
♪ ♪
We went into the closet
and we’re looking at his stuff
and he told me I can
pick out a jacket.
I could have that,
that would be mine.
I picked the Thriller jacket.
Of course. Go big.
And I took it home.
I wore it to the grocery store.
As I was leaving, he gave me
an envelope full of cash,
several hundred dollars.
Which, at the time, was a lot.
It’s still a lot.
♪ ♪
STEPHANIE: He had our phone
number, and he called the next day.
And he was gonna be by himself.
And I couldn’t believe that,
how can this man be by himself?
And so, my parents offered
to go pick him up.
We got in the car, and we drove
to the Hayvenhurst house.
And there’s always,
like, reporters and fans,
so we had to sneak him out.
Michael was ducked
with me in the back.
Some people gave chase
and we had to,
like, lose them and…
So, I think my father
was excited to, like,
“lose the reporters.”
He had to drive fast
or something.
♪ ♪
And he came to our house,
and went through
Jimmy’s closets,
went through everything,
acted like a little boy,
You watch movies,
and you eat popcorn.
He loved popcorn.
Michael would come
to our house a lot.
Michael and I would take
walks around my neighborhood.
Just talking
and walking and…
It would be at night time,
of course,
so he could sort of hide.
As soon as somebody noticed him,
then the newspapers
would be there and…
I think I went to Hayvenhurst
a few times.
The more I would visit,
the more, sort of, alone time
you’d get with him.
So, I brought him some toys,
and he gave me some gifts.
♪ ♪
It’s more like
hanging out with a friend
that’s more your age.
So, it feels natural.
♪ ♪
I came to feel like
he was one of my sons
by how he behaved.
I loved him.
He was a son I started
to take care for.
He would spend the night.
I’d wash his clothes.
At the time,
when I was thinking about
should we get Jimmy
in commercials,
I prayed to the Lord that
if this is good for Jimmy,
open the doors for him
and let this happen.
And if it’s not,
don’t let it happen.
Well, of course,
the doors opened so quickly.
And then, when Michael
would come to our house,
I had told this story
to Michael about how I prayed
about this before it happened.
Well, Michael tells me,
“I prayed, too.
“I prayed that
I could have a friend.
And then I met Jimmy.”
Well, to me,
the two prayers came together,
and this was a friendship
that was meant to be.
♪ ♪
I went to Hawaii with Michael
for the Pepsi convention.
The trip felt like an adventure.
Rented out an amusement
park for the night,
and everybody went
there and played.
We were treated
very nicely there.
We went on a helicopter ride,
which was nice.
JAMES: And I remember
there were dolphins,
and you could just go see them.
I mean, we’re from a small town,
so this is bigger than,
I think, anybody’s expectations.
♪ ♪
STEPHANIE: I wanted them to have
fun, and I wanted my son
to be happy
and have a good time.
So, I stayed my distance there
in Hawaii during the day.
JAMES: The hotel was
beautiful, of course.
And I remember really wanting to
stay in the room with him, and…
my mom wouldn’t allow it
at the time.
I didn’t think it
was appropriate
for my son to go sleep with him.
I knew he was a kind man,
and he was doing everything
to make our trip there
as good as it could be,
but, you know, that…
It didn’t fit… you don’t, um…
It didn’t feel right.
You don’t…
go sleep with,
you know, somebody else
that you don’t really know.
Jimmy was, “Please,
Mom, please!” You know,
’cause he loved Michael.
But, no, I wouldn’t let him.
But made sure I had
my meals with them
and that Jimmy slept with me.
And that’s how it was
the first trip.
♪ ♪
JAMES: I remember the
plane being quite empty.
And I did this mock
interview with him.
He said I could ask
him anything I wanted.
MICHAEL: We’re in the air.
We’re on our way home from Hawaii.
Thousands of feet in the air
on this DC-10.
I’ve had a wonderful
time with Jimmy.
Are you taping?
– MICHAEL: Sure.
– JIMMY: Uh…
You can ask anything.
I was just playing reporter.
And he never gave interviews,
so it was kind of like,
sure, you can interview me,
but nobody else got interviews,
so it was also a big deal.
How did you like Hawaii?
What was your, like, best thing?
– MICHAEL: My best thing about Hawaii?
– JIMMY: Yeah.
Being with you.
How do you feel about, um,
performing and stuff,
do you like it?
I love performing.
It is the greatest thing
in the world because, um…
I feel at home on stage.
I could live on stage.
I’m the most happiest
when I’m on stage,
and when I’m with
Jimmy Safechuck.
But the best commercial
of all the Pepsi commercials
is the one that you and I did.
And I’m not just saying that,
that’s the best one.
‘Cause it has heart.
Every time I see it,
it makes me smile.
And I hope to be you all’s
friends for a long… forever,
for a long time.
Good-bye, signing off! Bye.
And it’s…
hard to listen to.
You can hear, like,
the infatuation,
and, and…
how much I was attracted to him,
and then also, his…
like, reeling…
his attraction
to you, for like…
making you feel special.
♪ ♪
MICHAEL: It’s Michael.
I’m calling from London.
I’m calling because
I love you all, and I miss
you very, very much.
I feel like you belong
to me as well.
Bye. I love you all. Bye.
STEPHANIE: A lot of our
conversations were on the telephone.
My son would be on the phone,
hours with Michael, hours.
And he talked to me.
He would call just to talk
to me during the day, and…
that wa… long conversations.
So, that’s how he got
to know people, I think.
You knew my voice right away?
JIMMY (OVER PHONE): Yeah, I jumped
up, and I ran to the phone.
– MICHAEL: You knew my voice right off?
– JIMMY: Uh-huh.
JAMES: We were talking on
the phone pretty regularly,
and I was dancing
and taking dance seriously,
and it was like…
“Come join me on tour.”
And he said,
“You can choose
wherever you wanna come,
and stay as long
as you wanna come.”
♪ ♪
So, as soon as school ended,
I joined the tour
for the summer.
♪ ♪
My mother went,
and my father would join
whenever he could,
but he wasn’t there
the whole time.
He flies you first class.
You have a limo waiting
for you at the airport.
Amazing. You know, it’s life…
of the rich and famous.
JAMES: I came on at the
end of the song “Bad.”
♪ Really, really bad ♪
And they would pick kids out
of the crowd during the show,
and then I’d lead,
like, 10 or 12 kids out.
I’d have a Bad outfit
on that was just like his…
and so, I would dance.
We’d, like, side-moonwalked
and did a few moves together.
♪ Bad, bad, really really bad ♪
I love you!
♪ Bad, bad ♪
♪ Really, really bad ♪
It’s hard to explain to people
what tour is like.
It’s pretty crazy.
CROWD: We love Michael!
We love Michael!
♪ ♪
The excitement
of him just walking
from his car, from
the hotel to the car, is…
is insane.
People are shoving you
and snapping pictures, and…
holding onto the door handles,
and being dragged by the car.
They’re crying and…
It’s a unique experience…
that level of star power.
♪ ♪
♪ Hoo-hoo! ♪
I’m 10, on the tour,
you know, having
shows every night,
and it’s a bit overwhelming.
I love you, Michael!
♪ Hoo! ♪
♪ ♪
There’s all these
sort of amazing moments
on tour that you don’t get
in normal life.
STEPHANIE: None of us
were living a normal life
when we traveled with Michael.
I got to meet Sean Connery.
That was big for me.
It was like,
“Oh my God, Sean Connery!”
And then at the shows,
there’s stars come in
to meet him.
I think I met Harrison Ford
and George Lucas and…
Steven Spielberg and…
And we even went to the set of
the Indiana Jones movie.
And Harrison Ford
took me outside,
and showed me how
to use his bullwhip.
And then he gave
me the bullwhip.
♪ ♪
STEPHANIE: I was on a
bus with Tina Turner.
They bused the VIPs
back and forth to the hotel.
And I heard her tell her
boyfriend at the time,
I was sitting close,
“That little white
boy sure can dance.”
Well, I knew she was
talking about Jimmy!
And that was like,
“Oh, I know, he can dance.”
But I was so proud of Jimmy.
It was always a proud moment
to see him on stage.
♪ ♪
JAMES: By that time,
you’re already best buds.
So, it’s like,
two friends going on an adventure
or something like that.
You’re not going off
and doing normal things
people do when they travel.
So, you spend a lot of time
just in the hotel room with him.
And the hotel rooms are,
you know,
the president suites,
so they’re quite large.
So, there’s lots of room
to play, and…
you just grow…
♪ ♪
I remember we would
fall asleep together,
and then when I wake up,
he would be in another room.
And I would be… hurt
that he was in another room,
and so I’d ask him to stay.
It seems like it was a natural…
thing that happened.
My husband and I
had to have said,
“Yes, you can go sleep
with Michael.”
♪ ♪
In Paris, he introduced me
to masturbation…
and that’s how it started.
Michael and I were in his room.
He set it up like,
“I’m gonna show you something
that everybody does,
and you’ll really enjoy it.”
So, it was like he was
teaching you something new.
And I remember…
my penis swelling up
’cause I did it so much
that first time.
I must’ve… (CHUCKLES)
must’ve done it a few times.
And so, I remember dipping
my penis in warm water.
Michael filled
a cup up with water,
so I could pee.
It was hard to pee.
I don’t have any unpleasant…
memories, other than
not being able to pee.
It felt like you were…
bonding, in a way.
The tour was the start of this
sexual, like,
couple relationship.
He was with Michael 24/7.
I would go visit Jimmy, um,
make sure he was okay,
but Jimmy was always,
“You can go, Mom.
You can go, Mom.”
He didn’t want me there.
I missed him.
I really missed my son,
uh, not being with him.
Michael would like it if you…
if you would bend over, and,
like, spread open your cheeks.
That’s what he liked.
And then he would masturbate.
And he liked, um…
if I rubbed his nipples.
So, we would do stuff,
and then, in the end,
when he wanted
to ejaculate, he would…
he would finish himself.
Our room started to get further
and further away
from Michael’s room.
And when I asked about it,
we weren’t even on
the same floor now.
I asked in Paris,
and I asked about that,
and they said,
“We couldn’t get you a suite
“close to Michael.
No suites available.
This is where we could
get you the nicest room.”
That made sense to me,
so I, “Okay.”
But in Germany, we were, like,
really far away from them.
And same thing.
Same thing. “We couldn’t
get you a suite near them.”
JAMES: He would run
drills with me where,
you’d be in the hotel room,
and he would pretend like
somebody was coming in,
and you had to get dressed
as fast as possible
without making noise.
So not getting caught was a big,
like, just kind of fundamental.
It was very much a secret,
he would tell me that
if anybody found out,
his life would be over
and my life would be over.
And that’s something he tells
you over and over again.
♪ ♪
And French kissing.
He… said
I introduced that to him.
Two, jump!
– Cool! All right.
– I blinked, though, ’cause he threw his arms.
And it evolved from, like,
French kissing and then
kissing different
parts of the body,
and then, finally, like,
kissing the genitals.
He started with, like,
“Kiss it. Can I kiss it?”
I remember one time
I was sleeping,
and I woke up and Michael said
that he had performed oral sex
on me while I was sleeping.
And I was like, oh, okay.
I wanted to know what’s
going on in the room.
My son doesn’t know this,
but I would, you know,
go to the door, try to listen,
hear what conversation
was going on,
and then I’d sneak away.
I wasn’t worried
that anything was going on.
I guess it was more curious.
What are they doing in there?
What were they doing?
Playing. Reading.
Michael was reading…
He bought him a lot of
nice, good books, you know,
and poems.
He’d read poems to him.
Just kid things.
They were just doing kid things.
So, I wouldn’t actually,
like, ejaculate.
It would be this…
like, kind of lubricant
without anything in it,
and that would sort of leak out.
– DAN REED: From you?
– From me, yeah.
But Michael would ejaculate.
He said that I was his
first sexual experience,
and he would say
that all the time.
He’s the biggest entertainer,
and he’s a creative genius,
and that creative genius
thinks that you’re special.
What’s not to like, right?
♪ ♪
STEPHANIE: Michael would always
hold Jimmy’s hand, and he said,
“Would you to talk to Jimmy
about holding my hand?
“People are gonna get
the wrong impression.
You know how people think.”
MAN 1:
Somebody special’s in there.
MAN 2:
Michael Jackson.
“They’re gonna think
something nasty about it.
“Nothing’s going on,
but this is gonna look
like something’s going on.”
JAMES: Myself and Michael
would scratch each other,
here, on the palm, so that
you were holding your hand…
And that meant,
like, you were thinking
of them sexually.
Happy New Year, Mike!
JAMES: There’s no
thoughts of this is wrong
or anything like that.
It’s just a very…
accepted way of
expressing your love.
That’s what he would say.
♪ ♪
He was very close to us,
seeing us every day,
staying at our home.
We were the first guests
he had, to go to Neverland.
I actually have the brochure
that they used to market it,
to sell it.
JAMES: And he said,
“I’m gonna purchase this house”,
and it’s gonna be yours.”
Like, “This place is for you.”
Me and Michael would be
there a lot together,
like, for a week at a time.
His property was massive,
so nobody was near him.
You know, the next ranch
was quite a ways.
They have the most
beautiful guest rooms.
STEPHANIE: This was the room I chose.
I loved this room.
You could stay at any
guest room you wanted.
And Jimmy stayed with
Michael in the big house.
We had people cooking for us.
He had a beautiful wine cellar.
You know, really good
wine, champagne,
that was just
something I enjoyed.
It was a fairy tale every night.
♪ ♪
The routine was
we would get a blanket
and lay it down
on the floor
and inside of the closet,
next to his main bed,
so we could close
the doors and have,
like, several sort of doors
people had to get through.
It was just the hall
that leads to his room.
So, there were
bells so you could
have a moment of
hearing them trip,
and at least it alarmed him
to when people are coming.
There was, like, kissing, and…
I think, just kind of
rubbing on each other.
And then, um…
oral sex,
and then…
he would want me to suck
on his nipples,
and then he would
finish himself.
He also had a, like,
an Indian fort with tepees,
and so we would lay down
sleeping bags,
have snacks, and then…
have sexual relations there.
There was also a game room,
and then upstairs in the arcade,
there was another room.
And it had a bed in there.
We would go into that room
and have sex there.
♪ ♪
There’s this attic,
there’s a third-floor attic.
It was kind of secluded,
like, you could only really get to
it from… from these steep stairs,
so you could tell if
somebody was coming.
So, we would go in there
and have sex.
There’s toys everywhere,
things to do.
So, they just kind
of mix together.
He had another house far away
from the main house,
and then there he had
a lot of memorabilia.
He had his jackets from,
like, the Grammys,
the rhinestone ones,
and his glove.
And that was
far away from people,
and you could see if somebody
was driving up his narrow road.
And we would have
sex in there, too.
The movie theater had
these two, like, private rooms.
Um, it had big glass windows,
so you could see the theater.
And so, we would have
sex in those rooms.
That was a bit dangerous.
So, there was a bit
of excitement there.
So, I didn’t tell
him I was coming,
and the door was locked.
And so, you have to knock loud
because, you know,
the movie’s on.
And, he made some exc…
He came down, unlocked it,
and did make some excuse.
He didn’t mean to lock the door.
He didn’t know the door was locked.
That’s what he told me.
He was in there with Jimmy,
they were in the bed.
They were clothed.
Still, didn’t think anything.
JAMES: There was a
castle in the theme park
and upstairs had a bedroom.
You could see
if somebody was coming.
It had just this small bed,
it’s upstair… and up there,
we would have sex.
♪ ♪
The pool and the Jacuzzi…
Oral sex,
like, holding your breath
and then going down,
kind of like a game.
At the train station,
there’s a room upstairs,
and we would have
sex up there, too.
It would happen every day.
It sounds sick,
but it’s kind of like
when you’re first
dating somebody,
right, and you do
a lot of it. (CHUCKLES)
So, it was very much like that.
♪ ♪
At the same time the sexual
relationship is growing,
he’s working on pushing
you away from your parents,
or pushing you away
from everybody else, and…
and it feels more like…
like it’s just you and him.
♪ ♪
STEPHANIE: My husband
and I are still together.
However, we have
separate bedrooms.
But our marriage was so bad,
the whole situation,
and I don’t know that…
I don’t even think my son knew
because my son was
so busy having fun.
He didn’t know that Jim and I
were in separate bedrooms,
barely getting along.
♪ ♪
JAMES: We would listen in
on people’s phone calls.
Eavesdrop on my parents
when they were fighting.
And he would tell me…
“Look how mean your mom is
and how evil women are.”
But, at the time, you just hear
your mom yelling at your dad,
and Michael feeds into that.
Your love for him is growing
and your relationships
with other people
are getting less.
Your success is
an American dream come true.
♪ ♪
JAMES: It’s constantly
reinforced, too,
by everybody else in the world.
So, it’s a really
intense feeling
’cause everybody
else is loving him.
It’s like everybody’s on board,
so it’s very powerful.
You start to think
that your parents are bad
and that Michael is good.
♪ ♪
NEWSMAN: We may not have Michael
Jackson on the program tonight,
but we have the next
best thing, Wade Robson.
NEWSWOMAN: Joy and Dennis Robson
are suitably proud of their son.
It’s really amazing because
everything he does
we haven’t taught him anything.
The whole…
the act that he does
is all himself.
Nobody’s taught him anything.
♪ People always told me,
be careful what you do ♪
♪ Don’t go around breaking
young girls’ hearts ♪
I started to like Michael,
and I started copying the moves,
and that’s how
I started dancing.
♪ ♪
I mean, if he wanted to stop,
there’d be no pressure. Fine.
If that’s what he wants
to do, that’s fine.
♪ You know I’m bad ♪
NEWSWOMAN: What do you
wanna be when you grow up?
I wanna be a star,
and keep everybody happy
while I’m doing it.
♪ And the whole world
has to answer right now ♪
♪ Just to tell you once
again, who’s bad? ♪
I auditioned for
a dance company in Brisbane
called the Johnny Young
Talent School.
I mean, this was, you know,
a jazz dance company,
but I showed up
as Michael Jackson,
in the full outfit again.
And they wanted me in the
company, and I got in the company,
and I became their
Michael Jackson.
You know, we started
performing at malls
and all that sort of thing,
pretty constantly,
every weekend at least.
SHANE: At some point,
the hair got permed.
That was taking it
to a new level for me.
He had the full curls
and… yeah.
It’s like a kid
with his superhero,
being obsessed with a superhero,
but taking it up
three or four notches.
It was kind of… kind of weird.
JOY: Every show they did
was based around Wade,
and it was amazing how
this woman would work “Bad”
into every scenario,
or “Smooth Criminal,”
even Christmas.
♪ ♪
♪ Pow! ♪
And then, they announced
that they were all going
to dance in Disneyland
for Australia Day.
♪ ♪
CHANTAL: Because it
was a big America trip,
obviously my mom
and my dad were gonna go,
and then my grandparents
came as well.
My name is Lorraine Jean Cullen,
and I’m Wade Robson’s
He used to copy
all the latest steps
that Michael Jackson did.
Forever dancing,
wouldn’t matter where he was.
It wasn’t my sort of dancing,
that’s for sure. (LAUGHS)
But we just all went
on the plane together,
and we went over to Disneyland.
♪ ♪
CHANTAL: There was, like,
hundreds of kids, like,
all in our red sweatsuits that
said Johnny Young Talent School,
like, going to America
for the first time.
JOY: Michael had said,
that last time we saw him,
“If you ever come
to America, look me up.”
It’s like, oh sure,
you just look him up
in the White Pages and find him?
I started calling around
some of the television shows
that Wade had been on,
trying to find a number
where we could contact Michael.
And we got passed around,
passed around, passed around,
and finally, somebody
gave me a number,
Michael’s personal assistant.
So, we called her, and she said,
“Oh, let me talk to Michael,
and I will call you back.”
So, she did.
She called back and said
Michael remembered Wade,
and wanted to meet us,
and asked if we would meet him
in Sherman Oaks at Record One,
where he was recording
his new album.
♪ ♪
The impossible.
You don’t just come to America
and start calling some numbers,
and get in contact with
Michael Jackson somehow,
and then you’re
gonna see him again.
Like, that was just
not a normal scenario.
CHANTAL: My mom, Wade,
myself, and my dad,
all went to Record One,
and that’s the first time that
I actually had met Michael.
WADE: He was doing some sort of
photo shoot in the lobby area.
My mother and father and sister
got in for a sort of
group photo with Michael,
and then he and I took
some shots alone.
I was in a full custom
Smooth Criminal outfit.
We showed him
some tapes of dancing,
things I’ve been doing
over the last two years
that he wanted to see.
I think it was a Friday,
and he said, you know,
“Do you and the family,
do you guys wanna come
to Neverland for the weekend?”
♪ ♪
Michael asked
if me and my sister
wanted to drive with him,
and of course I did.
And my parents and grandparents
would follow behind.
I remember him
playing us some music,
like some unreleased music.
Just getting this, like,
secret access, right,
to him and to his world.
♪ ♪
JOY: It was sort of surreal for
us, for all of us.
Hollywood and this whole
entertainment business was, um,
on another planet
from where we were.
♪ ♪
WADE: As we were getting
closer and closer
to Neverland and, you know,
Michael telling us,
only about 15 more minutes
or 10 more minutes, and just…
the excitement really building.
♪ ♪
LORRAINE: You had to
pull up at the gate,
and the guards came
and wanted to make sure
you didn’t have any cameras
or anything like that.
It was a little
bit intimidating.
I hadn’t met any
celebrities ever,
and I was quite lost,
but I had my husband
there, so, yes.
JOY: It’s like a fairy land.
It’s all fairy lights,
and there’s beautiful lakes
that are all lit up,
and the house was all lit up.
It was just amazing.
CHANTAL: As soon as you pulled
in, there’s music going.
There’s flowers everywhere.
It felt like you were driving
into this little heaven, you know.
The car pulls up,
and there’s everybody that works
at the ranch kind of lined up,
ready to greet you.
I’ve never been in that
type of world before,
and such a big house and…
it was magical.
WADE: I mean, we were all tripping
out, you know, on this place.
You know, it was just…
out of a…
out of a storybook, right,
out of a fairy tale.
♪ ♪
JOY: Michael showed us
all around the house,
and at that time,
he only had the theater.
He didn’t have
all the other things.
It’s like a child’s
dream come true.
There’s a big candy store there
that you just help yourself to,
soft-serve ice cream,
and all the chocolates in the world, and
popcorn, and then a beautiful theater.
To the left was a dining room,
and then kitchen, living room.
Tons of beautiful paintings
and statues everywhere.
It was more than just
going to someone’s house
that was beautiful.
You know, it felt like
a lot more than that,
a lot different than that.
It felt like traveling
to another planet.
♪ ♪
JOY: And then we all came
back to the guest units,
and Michael came back
with the children.
They’d been looking
at some other things.
And they came in and…
they asked if they could stay
with Michael for the night.
WADE: The guest quarters
is a separate building,
essentially, kind of,
across from the main house,
with about, I think,
four hotel rooms.
“You can stay in the guest quarters
with your parents if you want,”
“or if you want, you can, you know,
you can stay with me, in my room.”
And I was like, you know,
I wanna stay with Michael.
So, we thought, oh, okay.
We didn’t seem to think
anything of it.
We just thought that’s fine,
and Chantal was with him as well.
♪ ♪
WADE: Like, for me to look
back on the scenario now,
what you’d think would be standard,
kind of, instincts and judgment,
uh, seemed to go out the window.
Even if we knew him,
which we didn’t, at all.
We’d known him for,
I don’t know what,
four hours maybe.
Not known him. We met him
four hours ago, you know?
That’s the trippy part is
because it felt like we knew him.
Like, he had been
in my living room every day.
In my ears via his music
and his posters like…
I had known him, I thought.
And it, for some reason,
it didn’t feel strange
to let, you know,
me, a seven-year-old,
and my sister,
a 10-year-old,
sleep in this man’s bedroom.
♪ ♪
CHANTAL: Michael had an extra
guest bed that was above his bed.
It was basically like
a staircase that just kind of
took you up to this
other room in his room.
And so, he said
that we could stay
in his room in that guest unit,
if we wanted to.
And of course, we were like,
“Please, can we?” you know.
We went to his bedroom and sat
on his bed and talked to him.
And he had a train
running around the bed,
electric train
running the bedroom,
and he was just
like a child. Yes.
♪ ♪
There was pillow fights.
I mean, just having a blast,
like, no rules.
You know, like, you can’t
get in trouble, you know.
We were just kind of all
hanging out in Michael’s bed,
in the same bed,
like me, Wade, and Michael,
and just watching movies
and watching videos.
And then at some point,
we just knocked out,
all three of us on his bed.
Yeah, and that’s as much as
I remember that first night.
♪ ♪
JOY: The next morning,
waking up and looking at the lake,
and the flowers
were just amazing.
I mean, my mother said
her first thought was,
“Oh my God, I’ve died
and gone to Heaven.”
It was just so beautiful.
♪ ♪
Here we go, like,
a day of adventure, right.
CHANTAL: You know, it was a lot of
just silliness, sort of like that
chase each other and,
you know, big water fights.
It seemed right away
like he was family.
It was like being
with a brother.
♪ ♪
WADE: We kind of loaded up
in a couple of golf carts,
and him driving us around and
showing us everything, right.
So this is
the first time of seeing,
um, the arcade.
We walk in and flip
a switch and boom,
the whole room
comes alive, right.
One of the most amazing things
that I could ever experience,
and have total access to,
to just go play whatever I wanted to.
And how I excited
Michael was to kind of
watch me and watch me react.
He was fascinated with Wade.
He said that, “It’s like
looking at myself in a mirror.”
I see myself
all over again.”
So, that was something
to hear that,
that was pretty impressive.
And this little boy was
just living the dream.
He really was.
WADE: The theme park,
which wasn’t as extensive
then as it became, but…
still a theme park
in someone’s house, you know.
You know, seeing my mother,
kind of just, high and giddy
and playful and like children.
And then on
to the animals, right.
I mean, chimpanzees, giraffes,
♪ ♪
You know, then it was bedtime,
and it was just kind of
unspoken, like it was
set up already as to how it,
you know,
how we slept last night.
At some point,
I had fallen asleep.
And I woke up.
I could hear, like, crying,
like, sulking and sobbing.
I could see a figure
over in the corner,
kind of scrunched up,
sort of sobbing.
It was kind of hard
to get words out.
‘Cause we were supposed to leave
the next day, the whole family.
“I’m just so sad that you
guys are gonna leave me.”
“You know,
I don’t wanna be alone.
I don’t want you guys to leave.”
I mean, I felt the same way.
I felt like I almost
had this kind of
burden and guilt to like,
if I leave,
like, what’s gonna
happen to him?
Like, he was so upset, you know?
Then, the next morning,
the plan was that we were
gonna go on this kind of trip
to the Grand Canyon and that
sort of thing with an RV.
JOY: I remember going
into Michael’s room
to talk to him about it,
and he said to Wade,
“We can stay here.
We can go to Los Angeles.
We can go wherever you want,
do whatever you want.”
And Wade wanted to stay
at Neverland.
I actually didn’t have
a problem with it at the time.
I didn’t actually
have a hesitation.
So then, that’s when
I left with my mom
and everybody,
and we went to the Grand Canyon.
We had, like, a motor home,
and we went and camped
and did all that,
and then Wade
stayed with Michael.
I was ecstatic about this.
Michael was ecstatic about this.
So, my whole family left, um…
and I had, you know,
five days ahead of me,
with just me and Michael,
doing whatever the hell
we wanted to do.
♪ ♪
There were no cell phones,
or anything like that.
So, my parents had…
Once they left,
they had no direct access
to me at all.
They were really far away,
in… many ways.
♪ ♪
LORRAINE: We went right
through the canyon.
First time I’ve ever seen snow.
That was exciting, too.
And, uh…
we thought that Michael was
teaching him all his dances.
That’s… We thought,
how lucky he was to have that,
somebody to take
their time and do it,
in his position,
to have somebody like that,
to teach him what to do.
I somewhat regretted it
as we were traveling.
I became a little anxious,
at times, about it.
And I remember calling once,
and I couldn’t get through.
I remember being absolutely
hysterical on the phone
at one point because
I couldn’t get through,
and I couldn’t find him.
♪ ♪
First day at Neverland was
Michael making
physical contact with me.
Like, his had on my thigh,
um, hugs, you know.
It felt great.
And, out of all
the kids in the world,
he chose me to be his friend.
And he’s holding my hand.
Within the context
of what was going on,
it seemed normal, you know.
♪ ♪
The days were filled with
playing tag, watching movies.
He taught me how to do
the moonwalk.
This contrast began
between the day and the night.
♪ ♪
We were going to sleep
in his bed.
The first thing
I remember is, is…
sort of, you know,
moving his hands
across my… legs.
We were both clothed in PJs.
And then his hands
sort of got to,
you know, my crotch area,
and he’s sort of fondling there.
And how old were you?
I was seven, seven years old
when this began.
Fondling my penis
over the top of my pants.
And then, his hands went
underneath my pants.
And, uh…
and started touching my penis
underneath my pants and…
Yeah, there was nothing
aggressive about it,
nothing abrasive.
I never felt scared or…
anything like that.
It just…
didn’t seem that strange.
And then him guiding me
to do the same thing with him.
So, moving my hands, um,
to touch his penis.
Uh, which, you know,
was erect.
Him talking to me,
“You and I were”
“brought together by God.”
“We were meant to be together.
“You know, and this is us
“showing each other
that we love each other.
This is how we show our love.”
I mean, it escalated rapidly.
So, taking showers together and,
you know, fondling and kissing.
So him kissing me,
I mean, like, full, open mouth,
tongue-in-mouth kissing.
He would put my fingers
on his nipples,
and, like, tell me
to squeeze them.
And he would moan and react
to that, like it felt good,
and I liked the feeling that
was making him happy,
that was pleasing him, you know.
And then Michael
pulling my pants
and my underwear down,
pulling them off…
and, uh,
and going down and starting to,
you know, perform oral sex…
on me.
And I remember him putting
my hands on his head
when he was down there.
I’ll never forget the…
the, um,
the feeling of his hair.
It was rough, almost like a, um,
like a Brillo pad,
like this roughness.
And he’s down there and…
you know, with his…
his mouth on my, you know,
seven-year-old penis.
You know, quickly it
turned into having me
perform oral sex on him, too.
I mean, to be honest,
and to be graphic about it,
like, you know, a full adult,
grown man-size penis…
in my mouth, you know,
in a little seven-year-old’s mouth…
He didn’t ejaculate when he had
me perform oral sex on him,
but he used to… he would
masturbate in front of me.
He would have me
kind of go to, like,
the corner of the bed,
like, a far corner of the bed,
so he’d be laying back
on a pillow,
and have me go to the far corner
of the bed and, um,
be on all fours,
and have me sort of just
bend over my knees, you know,
um, so he could look at my anus
while he was masturbating.
And I was just,
kind of, on display.
And then, um,
periodically through that,
he would kind of
come up and, um,
and stick his tongue
in-in my anus.
Right in front of me,
there was this big,
kind of elaborate,
Peter Pan cardboard cutout.
So, it’s like I was either
looking back at him…
or looking forward
at, uh, at Peter Pan.
♪ ♪
You know, and then we’d
get up in the morning
like nothing had ever happened,
and go have
another day filled with
childhood magical
games and adventures.
♪ ♪
Yeah, when my parents came
back at the end of the week,
I definitely remember
a feeling of us and them.
You know, our relationship
had evolved in so many ways,
and he had done so much, um…
so much talking to me,
about not trusting people,
any people, especially women.
He started calling me “son.”
And for me, the idea of
Michael Jackson being my dad
was the most incredible
idea in the world.
You know, I didn’t have
anything against my dad,
that’s for sure.
But Michael was just…
It was just too big.
♪ ♪
That fantasy was just
too good to turn down.
And then the following week,
we were supposed to be going
to San Francisco,
and Wade didn’t want to go,
he wanted to stay.
♪ ♪
Michael was actually going back
to Los Angeles for the week.
Um, but he invited us
to go with him, so…
Wade and Chantal and I went
to I. with Michael,
and Dennis and my parents went
to San Francisco for the week.
♪ ♪
He was living in Westwood
at the time.
He had a condo in Westwood,
which they called the Hideout.
Um, I remember walking
in there and there was
statues of Shirley Temple
and posters everywhere.
It was a really
interesting place,
I think that’s when
that really started.
♪ ♪
CHANTAL: We would go into,
like, the record stores,
and I remember, like, Michael just
filling up, like, a whole cart,
like, full of records and CDs,
and we were allowed to put
whatever we wanted in there.
♪ ♪
WADE: Every time we entered a
place, like,
“Look around and get
anything you want.
“Get everything,” you know.
Normally, the experience was
you go into a toy store
and it’s like,
you can get one thing, you know.
And now this was, like,
grab a cart and fill it up.
♪ ♪
CHANTAL: Me and Mom
slept in the living room.
Wade slept in the room
with Michael.
I don’t remember
any sort of comment
about me staying with Michael
and sleeping in his room.
When we were in Los Angeles,
Chantal and I spent
quite a bit of time alone.
They, um,
We went to Westwood.
We’d walk down there and do things.
Wade and Michael would
stay in the room a lot,
just play…
I presume playing games,
and they did a lot
of that sort of thing.
Watching cartoons,
he was a big cartoon-watcher.
Once the abuse started,
within that first week,
you know,
every night that I was
with him, there was abuse,
while my mother was,
you know, next door.
You know, he started talking
about how much he loves me.
“What this is, is us.
“How we show our love
for each other.
“Other people are ignorant,
and they’re stupid,
and they’d never understand.”
If they ever found out
what we were doing,
about the sexual stuff,
that he and I
would be pulled apart,
that we’d never be able
to see each other again.
And that he and I
would go to jail
for the rest of our lives.
♪ ♪
♪ ♪
You do feel sorry for him.
You honestly believe
that this is a lonely man,
and that we can help make
him happy.
Us, who are just nobodies.
We couldn’t believe that he
would want to hang around us
in this tiny little house.
And he’d walk in the house and
he’d walk in the front door,
and he’d go…
(SIGHING): “The Safechucks!”
Like he was at home,
you know, full armed-up acting.
“Ah, the Safechucks!”
That’s how he felt about us.
You go from your
normal lifestyle,
day after day,
everything’s the same, to…
this big star
calling your house,
wanting to come to your home
and have dinner in your home,
wanting to spend the night
in your little house.
He could be anywhere,
with anybody in the world,
and Michael wanted to be
with our family.
This was all so overwhelming
and like a fairy tale.
And I got lost in it,
and I know my husband
got lost in it, too.
You’re just fully
in love at that time.
When I wasn’t with him, I was
always thinking about him.
It just feels like the greatest
thing when he calls.
He’d come over,
we’d spend the day shopping
and hang out
or he’d spend the night.
Or I would go
to the Hideout in Westwood
and spend a few nights there.
♪ ♪
So, we were like
this married couple.
And I say married because we had
this mock wedding ceremony.
We did this in his bedroom,
and we… like,
filled out some vows.
It’s like, we’re bonded forever.
It felt good,
and the ring is nice.
It has a row of diamonds
with a gold band…
the wedding ring.
♪ ♪
It’s hard to go back
to that… moment.
♪ ♪
I was really into jewelry,
and he would reward me
with jewelry for doing
sexual acts for him.
He would say that
I need to sell him some
so that I could earn the gift.
You know, I like jewelry,
and I liked it as a kid,
and I think that…
something that I enjoyed
was used against me,
so I think that that…
causes discomfort. I…
It’s still hard
for me to…
not blame myself.
This piece of jewelry is
like a Rolex…
ring with a diamond
in the middle.
My hands are shaking
just holding them.
We would go buy them…
at jewelry stores.
And we would pretend like they
were for somebody else and…
like for a female, but…
we would pretend
like my small hand fit
whatever female we were
buying it for. Yeah.
♪ ♪
Yeah, I don’t-I don’t
like looking at the jewelry.
♪ ♪
WADE: You know,
I left Australia as this young fan
of Michael Jackson.
And came back
Michael Jackson’s best friend.
– REED: And his lover.
– Yeah.
And his lover.
Trying to adjust back
to reality was hard.
I was back in school.
The thing that
I think made it okay…
was that the contact
with Michael
was constant.
We used to spend
hours and hours
and hours on the phone.
He called every day,
for two years.
Every blue moon,
I would talk to Michael.
Like, if he called, I’d get
on the phone and I’d say,
“Hi, how are you?”
Blah, blah, blah.
We’d talk for a couple seconds,
but it’s not like I…
you know, I didn’t stay on the
phone with Michael for hours
or have big conversations,
my brother did that.
It was sort of,
he would call to talk to Wade.
He would talk to Wade
for sometimes
six, seven hours at a time,
and I would say,
“What on Earth do you talk
about for all that time?”
I would try to listen,
but they seemed to be
very innocent phone calls.
WADE: He told me
that I was gonna be
this massive film director,
you know, bigger than Spielberg.
He was telling me to keep
working on my dancing,
keep training.
You know, you’re gonna
come back out here soon,
and, you know,
you gotta be ready
for us to change the world.
♪ ♪
If I was at school,
it was hard to focus on the work
’cause it was like, when I got
off of school, when I got home,
I was gonna get on the phone
with Michael Jackson.
He used to call me Apple Head.
Um, I would call him
Apple Head sometimes.
And then he started
calling me Little One.
I don’t know where it came
from, but that became my…
my name from him, Little One.
It came with a song
that he would sing to me,
like this kind of lullaby.
♪ Has anyone seen
my Little One? ♪
And then he would sing,
♪ My Little One is here ♪
I mean, it just felt, um…
really, uh, cozy.
It felt really endearing.
♪ ♪
And at some point,
we got a fax machine,
so we could communicate more.
If I’m not mistaken,
I think he bought it.
So, we were still having these
really long conversations,
but then now, there would be
these constant faxes,
back and forth,
you know, I love you, Wade.
I love you, Little One.
My best friend forever and…
all kinds of stuff like that,
and I would send stuff back,
telling him how much
I loved him.
♪ ♪
♪ ♪
STEPHANIE: We’d get home,
and the whole living room
would be filled faxes, like,
all over the floor, everywhere.
I felt like he and I
had a relationship
outside of his
relationship with Wade.
I felt like we had
something quite separate.
I guess like a brother
or a really close friend.
He’d get really lonely,
and we’d talk about that.
Michael, he used to ring her
all the time.
He was forever ever ringing her
and talking to her.
She turned her life upside down
because of Michael.
This separate relationship
with Mom began.
I don’t remember him
ever explicitly saying,
“Say hi to Dennis.”
It would be like…
That’s my Dad’s name.
It would be either
the siblings or.
“Say hi to the family,”
you know.
He sent me back
with some memorabilia,
like clothing of his
that I could wear.
– He gave me the hat,
the white fedora hat
that he wore in
the “Smooth Criminal”
music video.
I was just looking at this,
and he said, “Do you want it?”
And I said, “If you wanna give
it to me,” and I said “Sure.”
– And, um,
He… This is the actual hat he
used in the “Smooth Criminal” clip,
and it’s still got
his makeup on it.
– See?
– HOST: On the top here, yeah.
Just put it on, let’s see how
you look in it. Let’s see how…
– Hey. Hey, that’s pretty cool.
That’s pretty cool.
And he gave me the gloves
that he wore in the “Bad” music
video, sort of buckled gloves.
So, I used to wear those
now when I’d perform.
My whole life was focused on him
and leading towards him.
This kind of fantasy
began for me that…
that like, pretty soon, I was
gonna end up living with him.
You know, that I would
kind of be with him,
like a father and son,
for the rest of my life.
Basically, we were in limbo
waiting to come back.
And it took quite some
time before he actually
got around to bringing
us back again.
He was doing a photo shoot,
a campaign for
his new shoes for I. Gear.
♪ ♪
And he saw that
as a great opportunity
to bring me out and to put me
in the campaign.
So, my mother removed me
out of school.
It turned into a six-week trip.
Our flights and everything
were paid for.
Los Angeles was
Michael Jackson for me.
And just being
so excited to be back in
what felt like, already, home,
like, where I’m supposed to be,
here and with him.
Also, anticipating
the physical contact again.
The sexual contact,
because that had become so…
intertwined with
what our relationship was
and what our love was.
♪ ♪
JOY: I have some really,
really happy memories from Neverland.
We’d drive in,
and forget about everything
that was going on in your life,
forget about all your problems.
You were in Neverland.
It was a fantasy.
He and Wade would avoid me.
I could tell
they were avoiding me.
You know, and it’s a big place.
It’s 2,700 acres,
and they’d take off for the day,
and I’d spend all day looking
for them. Couldn’t find them.
So, I spent a lot of time alone
there, playing with the chimps.
We became good friends.
WADE: We were back and
forth throughout the trip
between Neverland
and the Hideout in Westwood.
But, you know, my mother being
in a different room,
and Michael and I
sleeping in his bed.
♪ ♪
The sexual contact continued
every night we were together.
I guess it sort of
became a routine,
masturbating, the oral sex,
both sides,
and the touching,
and the fondling,
and the gyrating,
and the kissing.
Me bending over
with the masturbation,
and the tongue and all that.
And then one of the kind of newer
things that started to happen
was he started to show me
some pornography.
Pretty graphic,
heterosexual porn, um,
you know, oral sex,
full penetration,
uh, anal stuff.
It seemed like he liked it,
that Michael liked it,
so I wanted to like it.
♪ ♪
It was the first time
he showed me some video porn.
And this was, you know,
full oral sex,
and ejaculation
in the mouth, on the face,
all that stuff. Full graphic.
I remember that
affecting me internally
even more than
the photographic porn.
I remember that feeling in my
stomach being really heavy,
like a nervousness.
I just didn’t really know
how to deal with it, you know?
So, it was…
again, like, him pulling
back the curtain
on this whole other universe,
but this one wasn’t
so fun, you know?
I was seven, you know?
He just came across
as a loving, caring, kind soul.
it was easy to believe
that he was just that.
WADE: It was coming to…
time for us to leave,
to go back to Australia,
and I was at the Hideout
with Michael in Westwood.
And Michael said to me,
“Will you leave Little One
with me for a year?”
I was on board with this.
I wanted to.
Are you kidding me?
Like, be able to live
with him for a year?
That’s like the most
incredible idea I’d ever heard.
I was stunned, and said,
“Absolutely not.”
He said, you know, “I would
do wonders for his career.”
“I could work with him.
“We could do so much together.
It would be absolutely wonderful
for him to stay here with me.”
I said, “Michael, he’s my child.
He’s seven years old.”
I am not gonna
leave him with you.”
And a sort of, like…
a tug of war started
between Mom and Michael.
We went through this
for a couple of hours,
where I tried to explain to him
that it wasn’t going to happen.
And after it was all over,
he looked at me and he said,
“I always get what I want.”
And I said, “Not this time.”
I said,
“I will share Wade with you,
but I am not going
to leave him with you.”
Michael asked…
like, “Well, okay,
then you’ve gotta let me…”
“have him for, you know,”
“four or five more days,
a few more days,”
“to prepare him to leave.”
I remember at some point
getting a phone call and, uh…
Mom saying, “Oh, we’re gonna
stay longer.” You know?
And I was like,
what the hell is going on?
You know, pretty…
kind of disturbing when
your mom and brother just,
you don’t know when
they’re gonna come back.
He really amped up…
the dialogue
and the lectures about…
being strong and being…
learning to shelve my feelings.
He always said that. “You gotta
learn to shelve your feelings”,
so you’re not vulnerable.”
In hindsight, I know, I mean,
just how much of my life,
in every way shape or form,
that affected, you know?
Hello, Wade.
Congratulations, Little One.
Today is your birthday.
I don’t celebrate
birthdays, of course,
but I thought I would take this
moment to say congratulations
on the day that you were born,
and in my opinion,
you should spend this day
with your mother and your
father, who conceived you,
and you should be giving
them the presents,
uh, and being thankful that
they brought you into the world.
And the future is yours and
you can do whatever you want.
So, congratulations.
I love you. Goodbye.
♪ ♪
Things started to…
change with my father.
My consciousness was just
so full with Michael
that there was
less and less of my attention
and consciousness for my dad.
JOY: He enjoyed what Wade was doing.
He loved it.
And I think he would’ve liked to
have been more of a part of it, too,
but I think I sort of
pushed him out.
Wade was doing
a lot in Australia,
and I was more or less managing
what he was doing there,
and I enjoyed that.
And it just took us
into a different world,
and Dennis was sort
of excluded from it.
So, it did affect the marriage.
LORRAINE: Dennis was always
there in the background,
and he went to it
as much as he could,
but being in business, it was
hard for him always to be away.
She put Wade first,
taking him to places
where he danced.
It was a big thing for her.
WADE: My mother and
his relationship
was changing.
Over the next year or so,
he started having
all sorts of, um…
I don’t know, emotional trouble
and anxieties.
And he was diagnosed
with bipolar disorder.
I have memories of my dad
fighting with my mom,
and I remember my dad
at one point saying,
you know,
“You’re talking to lawyers,
and you’re trying to get out
of here. I know you are.”
– HOST: Wade J. Robson!
Wade had been working
pretty regularly in Australia,
but there was only just
so far he could go there.
He could be the big fish
in the small pond,
but I felt if he was
really going to succeed,
he needed to move
to the United States.
♪ ♪
So, this was happening
at the same time that
my father’s, kind of,
mental and emotional health
was really declining.
His mood being
more unpredictable.
It’s like he was
just like drifting
further and further
away from me.
SHANE: It kind of became
like the Wade and Mom Show.
That’s when I really noticed
Dad starting to go downhill,
you know, with his mental state.
♪ ♪
She definitely was not the mom
that I grew up with at that point.
She was very determined
to go on this, this new life.
It wasn’t so much about
the family anymore.
You know, it was about…
getting over there, starting
this new opportunity for…
for Wade, which, you know,
in reality was opportunity
for Mom as well.
And when I kind of look
at things in perspective,
it was probably Mom’s chance,
the easiest way for her to,
maybe, get out of her marriage.
And I had a diary that had a…
just a quote for every day.
And it said something like,
“Today is the first day
of the rest of your life,”
something like that.
And suddenly I thought, you
know what, I’m just gonna go.
I’m not gonna wait any longer.
LORRAINE: Michael,
he encouraged her to go over there.
Yes, it was his decision.
He made the arrangements
for where they could stay
when they got there.
He did all that.
And, uh…
Yes, he was to blame.
He’s to blame
for a lot of things
that happened in our life.
I had a choice,
but it was sort of obvious
that I was going with my mom.
And I remember my dad just saying,
“Please don’t leave,” to me.
he said, “Please don’t go.
Stay with me.”
And I remember saying,
“Dad, just don’t ask me that.”
Like, “Dad, don’t…
don’t make me choose.”
Like, that it was just obvious
that I was going
with Mom, you know?
WADE: Beyond whatever was
going on with him mentally,
almost his whole family
was about to leave him.
I’m sure, for my father,
it felt like, you know,
there’s no way…
we’re ever coming back.
♪ ♪
SHANE: I used to have dreams or
nightmares of my family dying.
And I remember
going to Brisbane Airport.
I remember my…
my grandmother, my Mom’s mom,
like, standing at the window.
She was just, like,
moaning and crying.
LORRAINE: I remember being
at the airport with Dennis.
It was so sad to see them
all going on the plane,
knowing that they…
We wouldn’t just be able to…
pick up our bag,
and go and visit them.
No. Yeah, it was sad.
Dad was just…
I think he was crying,
but he was just…
He wasn’t really there.
Yeah, that was a tough day.
♪ ♪
You know, they were excited.
They were going off on…
on a big adventure, so…
Yeah, I guess that
was really, like,
the end of the family. Yeah.
I left my eldest son Shane,
my husband, my parents,
two brothers, cousins,
big family.
And, funny, at the time,
I really did not think
about any of
the long-term ramifications.
I was so caught up
in everything.
I remember my father looking me
in the eye at the airport,
and he said,
“Have you lost your mind?”
And that has stayed
with me for 26 years,
’cause there’s many times
I look back and think,
yes, I think I had.
♪ ♪
WADE: You know,
I definitely had some sort of…
idea in my head of
the way…
this was all gonna go down
once we moved to Los Angeles,
that it really was going
to be life with Michael.
♪ ♪
So, I remember being shocked
when the first place
we went to live
was like in Oakwood Apartments,
which is kind of like a part-time
residence sort of thing.
And it was…
at least a week,
maybe a couple of weeks,
after we moved
before I saw Michael.
And that was really hard for me.
Here I was, in this new place,
in America, and in Los Angeles,
but now it’s like we were alone.
JOY: I knew straightaway
that things were different.
First up, when we got there, they said
that the Oakwood had not been paid for.
I needed to give them
a credit card.
And I’m like, “No.”
They said, “Well, you have
to give me a credit card”
till we can sort
it out tonight.”
And that was unusual for them.
They usually had us
pretty well looked after.
Michael had talked
about bringing him
to do the “Black or White”
And then they called and said,
“We’re going to rent you a car,
so that you can drive
yourself to the studios,”
which was unusual as well.
Um… And then, when we got
to the studios to do this,
then we realized why.
I believe the first time
we saw each other after we moved
was his “Black or White”
music video,
which I was gonna dance in.
That experience was
really hard for me.
Turn that noise off!
This was the first time
I came up against
the new friend,
Macaulay Culkin.
Macaulay was where I was,
you know, on my previous trips.
Right by Michael’s side,
every moment.
WADE: And now, I was kind of
on the sideline, as far as…
being Michael’s friend,
you know,
and being his favorite,
and that was really confusing.
What did I do wrong?
Like, he and Michael
had all of the connection
and kind of secret things that
Michael and I had before.
Like, I could recognize that.
So, there was definitely
a lot of, there was jealousy
from me. I mean,
hurt, confusion.
It was very obvious to me
that Macaulay had taken
Wade’s place in Michael’s
“best friend” category.
So, that was very hurtful,
it broke Wade’s heart.
But it made me realize that
if things were gonna happen,
we have to get busy
and do it ourselves.
♪ ♪
JAMES: By then, I wasn’t
really hanging around him much.
It was more like he would
call every few months.
At Neverland, we were able
to go up whenever we wanted.
And then we’d be able to go up,
and they’d have all the cooks
and everybody there.
So, it was like our
sort of vacation home.
Thank you!
– BRIAN: Happy birthday!
– Thanks.
And at the same time,
he started introducing alcohol.
♪ ♪
Michael also had
a place in Century City,
near the Avenue of the Stars.
So, you’d go over
for the weekend,
and he’d buy a big jug of wine,
and I remember
getting really drunk.
I was falling over.
And he would put porn on,
like, in the bathtub.
He had these little TVs,
and you could watch…
you could watch porn
wherever you wanted.
Porn and candy, that was…
That’s what he had.
It got more dirty sexual,
rather than, like,
friends who were,
like, touching each other.
That was probably
because I was getting
to be a teenager.
Like, he wanted to do some anal.
He put his finger…
inside me, and I didn’t
like it at all.
So, he kind of
backed off on that.
I think I was just like,
kind of wincing and…
I was asking him not to do it,
but he did it, and he said,
“Oh, you’ll like it.”
But we continued
with all the other stuff.
♪ ♪
He was preparing me
over a long period of time
for other kids to enter.
He would say like,
“You’re gonna start seeing me
“with so and so, and…
that doesn’t mean
I don’t love you.”
We went up for the weekend,
and Michael showed up
with another family
and a young boy.
It reminded me of us.
My husband and I
came in and said hi,
and they were zipped-mouthed,
just like we were.
I could tell they had been…
Had the talks we had.
“You don’t talk to strangers.
Everybody wants to be your
friend just to get to me.”
So, the people were
very standoffish,
and I thought,
we’re in Michael’s home!
Jeez, they could be
a little friendly.
♪ ♪
There’s one particular boy
who sort of entered
and replaced me.
And so, I saw him grow closer
and closer to that boy,
and I was…
pushed out more and more.
And that was really
difficult to handle.
There was like a lot
of jealousy and hurt.
You’re no longer…
♪ ♪
One specific night
that was really tough,
and it was at
Avenue of the Stars.
You know, spending the night
there and the boy was there.
The boy would sleep
in Michael’s room,
and then I would sleep
downstairs on the sofa.
It was like being cast out.
And it was…
It was like a realization
that, like, okay, it’s…
I’m not number one.
And I just wanted to go home.
And so I cried and cried,
and I cried out for my mom,
and I just cried myself
to sleep. So, it was like…
the first night it really hit.
Michael was my, like, partner,
and then he’s gone?
And then, you’re not close
to anybody else,
so it’s like then,
you’re just alone.
And you can’t talk
to anybody about anything,
so you just continue
to be alone.
♪ ♪
WADE: I would say, like,
in that first year of living in I.,
that I saw him maybe
four to six times,
either at his
Century City apartment
or back at Neverland.
The sexual stuff would
happen every night.
So, every time that it
was just he and I again,
and the sexual stuff
would happen again,
like, it made me feel
a little better.
It made me feel like
that things were okay again,
and things were back to normal,
and that feeling didn’t
stay for long
’cause I would keep coming
up against scenarios
where there was another boy.
CROWD: We love Michael!
We love Michael!
NEWSMAN: They’ve been waiting
for three days to see their hero,
and when the moment came,
it was the type of
bizarre appearance you’d expect
from a man they call Wacko Jacko.
The pop-star seemed
to be playing hide-and-seek.
Joined by his traveling companion
and nine-year-old cousin,
he began throwing items
to his admirers below.
Great joy from the
33-year-old multimillionaire
as youngsters below scrapped
for presents from their god.
During that Dangerous tour,
when Michael took
Brett Barnes
on the tour with him…
♪ ♪
…Wade had asked
to go on the tour,
and Michael had told
him no, he couldn’t go
because he wasn’t allowed
to take children on this tour.
And then he saw Brett Barnes
with him on television.
WADE: I don’t think
he liked to mix us.
I mean, he liked to keep
these relationships separate.
Remember it being particularly
hard with Brett because…
I found out, and I knew,
that he was Australian.
“Oh, it’s a new Australian boy,”
I was, like, really
feeling replaced.
♪ ♪
ANNOUNCER: Please remain
seated at all times.
JOY: Michael had told him
that he would call him.
And he… that little boy
would come home every day
and sit on the couch,
and wait for that phone call.
It just didn’t come,
he wasn’t calling.
And it just broke
my heart to see
him waiting for that call.
All of the dreams
and plans that Michael was
selling me and my mother from…
you know, day one
of that first trip.
This partnership
we were gonna have
didn’t seem to be, like,
something that was gonna really happen.
JOY: After a while,
I realized there was a pattern.
Every 12 months,
there was a new boy in his life.
♪ ♪
♪ ♪
♪ ♪
♪ ♪
I never told anyone
about any of the sexual
stuff that went on.
I felt special.
I was this boy from the
other side of the world
and Michael chose me.
Yeah, there’s no question
I was like head over heels
in love with Michael.
And he said he loved me.
– What’s your name?
– My name’s Wade.
His name’s Wade.
How old are you Wade?
– Ten.
– Ten years old.
WADE: A real momentum had
started behind my career
in the dance world,
starting to do music videos,
and acting in TV shows.
Go on, Wade!
Show what else you can do!
WADE: A lot of it became
about impressing Michael.
Hopefully make him happy
and make him impressed,
and, you know,
get that stamp of approval.
– HOST: Yeah, Wade!
Give Wade a hand!
– Yeah!
♪ ♪
♪ ♪
WADE: There was a kind of
mass sleepover at Neverland.
I would’ve been about 11.
And it was Jordy,
Jordan Chandler,
Macaulay Culkin,
and myself.
– Jordy was the new kid,
the new boy, and the one who was
super close with Michael.
Michael and Jordy
would disappear a lot.
And I remember this
particular moment when…
all of us kids
and Michael were…
were hanging out in Michael’s
bedroom in Neverland.
All of a sudden,
Michael and Jordy were gone.
They had gone in
one of his bathrooms,
and the door was closed.
You know, I used to be
the boy who was in there
with Michael.
You know, I just knew
in my gut that…
that’s what they were doing
when they were disappearing.
They were doing all of
that same sexual stuff.
Good morning, everyone.
Michael Jackson is at the center
of a criminal investigation
in Los Angeles.
One report talks
of child abuse charges.
NEWSMAN: Official reports
obtained by NBC News
detail the allegations
against Jackson,
made by a 13-year-old boy.
He told a case worker that
a four-month-long relationship
with Jackson began with
the singer hugging him,
and ended with various sex acts.
When pop star Michael Jackson
dropped out of sight two weeks ago,
there was much speculation that he was trying
to duck child molestation allegations.
NEWSMAN: Jackson’s people claim the
charges are part of an extortion plot.
They claim that Michael is more
of a victim than a suspect.
JOY: He loved children.
He missed out on his childhood.
He just enjoyed
being with children.
I can hear him saying to me,
“I would never hurt a child.”
He would cry.
“I could never hurt a child,”
and he would break into tears.
Very convincing.
You know, I’d been told
that Wade was sleeping,
doing sleepovers with Michael,
and sleeping in his bed.
And then you hear stories of,
you know,
someone accusing him
of molesting a child,
and I’m, like, holy crap, is…
Is that what’s happening
with my brother?
♪ ♪
The next big thing I remember
was two cops
showing up at my door.
JOY: They said that
Michael had been charged
with child abuse.
I said to Wade, you know,
“You’ve done nothing wrong.
You can tell us.
It’s not your fault,
you’ve done nothing wrong.”
Wade was very stoic.
But this was… (SIGHS)
you know, terrifying
right from the get.
This is the first time that…
anyone ever…
directly asked me, you know,
did Michael Jackson
ever touch you sexually
or anything like that?
Without flinching,
without batting an eyelash,
you know, my answer was no.
No way.
Absolutely not.
You know, did this…
Did he ever touch you here?
Did this sort of thing
ever happen? Did he ever
show you…
any pornography?
All of those sorts of
questions, you know.
Over and over again,
without flinching,
my answer was no,
absolutely not. Never.
Obviously, as a mother,
when these allegations
were brought to us,
the first thing when I get Wade
by himself,
I said to him, “Okay.”
“So, as your mother,
I need to ask you,
has Michael ever done anything
inappropriate with you?”
And he was so convincing.
“Absolutely not.”
“He has never ever
done anything. Never.”
You know, as soon as the cop
started asking me these questions,
the first thing that
came to mind for me was
everything that Michael started
saying to me when I was seven.
You know, if anyone
ever found out that…
we were doing any of these sort
of things, these sexual things,
that he and I would go to jail
for the rest of our lives.
It was terrifying.
Why is Michael Jackson,
an adult,
sleeping in the same bed
with a young boy?
It is important to note
that children everywhere
are watching
to see how this child,
who has been brave
enough to come forward,
to make his allegations
will be treated.
They may be fearful
about what will happen to them
if they come forward
to make a charge
against a celebrity,
or against a powerful person.
♪ ♪
been many disgusting statements
made recently
concerning allegations
of improper conduct on my part.
These statements about
me are totally false.
They served
a search warrant on me,
which allowed them to view
and photograph my body,
including my penis,
my buttocks, my lower torso,
thighs, and any other area
that they wanted.
It brings tears to my eyes
when I see any
child who suffers.
I am not guilty
of these allegations,
but if I am guilty of anything,
it is of giving
all that I have…
All that I have to give
to help children
all over the world.
It is of loving children
of all ages and races.
It is of gaining sheer joy
from seeing children with their
innocent and smiling faces.
To my friends and fans,
thank you very much
for all of your support.
Together, we will see this
through to the very end.
I love you very much,
and may God bless you all.
I love you. Goodbye.
♪ ♪
He had been,
I think, a little absent
from my life.
And then, he’s back in it
’cause he needs
you for something.
He needs you to testify.
So honestly,
you’re happy that he’s back.
You’re kind of just excited
that he’s talking to you again.
First heard it on the news.
Totally shocked.
I told my husband,
“We need to talk to Jimmy.”
He said Michael
did not touch him.
“Are you all all right?
Did anything happen to you?”
“No, Mom.”
It was like,
“No, Mom,” like that.
It would go for months without
talking, or seeing each other.
Now all of a sudden, once…
this Jordy case kind of
exploded in the press…
every day, he would call.
– Electronic voice: Friday, 3:12 p.m.
Gabby! (LAUGHS)
It’s Apple Head.
Um, I was wondering maybe…
tomorrow night, we could see a movie.
It’d be really nice.
So, I’ll call you tomorrow.
I’ll sleep in tomorrow,
and then maybe we can
do something. Thank you!
Goodbye (LAUGHS).
– Bye, Little One.
After these phone calls had been
going on for a while, there were…
I mean, you know,
really similar, each one,
and just the same
sort of talk, and…
I mean, what I understand now
as coaching sessions, you know.
I went in to meet his lawyers
for, like, a rehearsal.
They gave me… They did,
like, a mock interview.
You know, kind of role-playing
a policeman or lawyer and…
You know, “We know you guys
have done this. We have photos.”
So, just tell us…
Just tell us about it.”
That… That’s like a ploy.
Like, they don’t know,
they don’t have photos,
just tell them no.
That’s, like, the golden rule.
You know, just don’t tell them,
and they don’t actually know,
or they can’t prove it.
It was reported
in Vanity Fair that,
that Michael convinced
his 13-year-old mother…
The mother of his 13-year-old
accuser to allow…
To allow him to move in
with them in the same house,
and that for three months,
he slept in the same bed
with this 13-year-old boy.
I mean, at best,
would you describe
Michael Jackson’s behavior
as just extremely weird?
Well, I wouldn’t accept what
I read in Vanity Fair, Katie,
and that’s one of the things I’d
like to talk about at some point.
But, let me say this. I think
when the facts come out,
that you’ll find out
that Michael Jackson
loves children, and he loves
them in a very, very proper way.
You know, very much said…
He used the…
“They want fame and money” card.
Like, that was… So, kind of
what he… he pitched to everybody.
Um, so, that’s
what he told my parents,
and they believed him.
And I said to Michael,
why is this boy
doing this to you?
And he said, “Oh, it’s
not him. It’s his father.”
His father wants money.”
I asked if he was
angry with the boy.
He said, “No,
I’m not angry with him.”
And I thought, what a good man.
What a good man Michael is.
He’s not even mad at the child.
– MICHAEL: Thank you.
NEWSMAN: Jackson likes to surround
himself with young children,
and some of them have been
speaking out on his behalf.
Last night, this girl,
who says she and her brother
have spent lots of time
with Jackson,
talked to station
KNBC in Los Angeles,
denouncing the allegations
of child molestation.
I think it’s sick, personally,
because Michael
loves little kids.
– You know, I’ve known Michael since I was 10.
– MAN: Mm-hmm.
He’s never done anything to me.
He’s never done
anything to my brother.
I loved this man.
I trusted him.
I didn’t think he would
ever do anything.
You know that he’s famous
and people could do this,
and people could be after
money and stuff like that.
So, that wasn’t hard to believe.
NEWSMAN: Joy Robson
said she did not believe
Jackson would molest anyone.
You just develop that trust
with him immediately.
He’s just a very special person.
Because we were so close
with Michael, obviously…
I wanted to believe that.
But more than anything,
I believed my son.
I believed that
he would’ve told me
had something happened.
NEWSMAN: Sources tell CNN,
authorities may attempt to bring Wade
before the grand juror.
I was excited by the idea
of being able to defend him,
and being able to save him.
Yeah, you know,
there’s been different times
where it’d just
be me and Michael.
Then there’d be other times
where he has other
friends over, too.
It’s just… a slumber party.
We just have a lot of fun.
I’ve been there when these kids
have been in Michael’s room.
I’ve been there with them.
It’s just party time.
They watch videos.
They eat junk food.
They play video games.
They play so hard,
they fall asleep.
They’re exhausted.
They fall asleep.
There’s nothing more
to it than that.
MAN: From your standpoint,
does it seem unusual
for a 34-year-old man
to have kids sleeping over?
Not when you know
Michael’s background.
Under normal circumstances,
possibly, yes.
But Michael, everybody knows
he didn’t have a childhood.
NEWSMAN: Soon, it will be Jackson’s
turn himself to respond to questions.
The teen said that when they traveled
together to Monaco last May, quote,
“That’s when the whole thing
really got out of hand.
“He then masturbated me
to climax. After that,
“Michael Jackson
masturbated me many times
both with his hand
and with his mouth.”
Among the documents filed
with the court were excerpts
of depositions by several
former Jackson employees,
including Jackson’s chauffeur,
who said he dropped
the entertainer off
at the boy’s house
on overnight visits
30 days in a row.
Also included was a deposition
of former Jackson maid,
Blanca Francia,
who claims that at
Jackson’s Neverland Ranch,
he has a closet within a closet
in which he kept pictures
and videotapes of children.
She also claims
to have seen Jackson naked
with young boys
on several occasions.
Jackson publicly denied
the allegations last week
at the NAACP Image Awards
in Pasadena.
Everyone is presumed to be
innocent, and totally innocent,
until they are
charged with a crime,
and then convicted
by a jury of their peers.
He asked me to testify.
There was like a pretrial,
so I went to court.
I remember going
in there, and…
being very… robotic.
I mean, I had, like I said,
rehearsed it so much,
that it was just going
through the motions.
They asked, and, you know,
I said no, of course.
♪ ♪
Just like part of my job…
to, you know,
to do that for Michael.
He’s a very, very nice,
kind person.
He wouldn’t hurt anybody.
He doesn’t have
a mean bone in his body.
Like, I knew it was true…
but I couldn’t let
myself go there,
and it was just like Jordy…
was the enemy.
told me that I had to lie.
And that’s what I did.
I lied.
I know Michael very well.
I know he wouldn’t do
anything like that.
WOMAN: Has he ever tried
to do anything with you
that would even be
considered questionable?
No, nothing.
Nothing at all.
Has never touched you?
– Mm-mm.
– Have you ever seen Michael naked?
There’s a stunning development
in the Michael Jackson story.
NBC News has confirmed
that lawyers for the entertainer
accused of sexually molesting
a 14-year-old boy
are now seeking an out-of-court
settlement in that case,
and that lawyers for both sides
are actively
negotiating an agreement
which could be announced
as soon as tomorrow.
Jackson reportedly
is prepared to pay
at least $10 million
to settle this case.
I don’t have any…
guilt about… not being able
to tell the truth.
I had no choice but to say what I
did in that deposition when I was 11.
That was what I had to say.
We wish to jointly announce
a mutual resolution
of this lawsuit.
The resolution of this case
is in no way
an admission of guilt
by Michael Jackson.
Then, when they
settled out of court,
I asked him why he did that,
and he said, “My attorney said”
“it would cost me more
money to fight it,
so it was better
for me to settle it.”
NEWSMAN: The accuser settled the
civil lawsuit against Jackson,
reportedly for between
five and 25 million dollars.
Then they took that money.
People said to me that
just proves he’s guilty.
And I would say no.
That to me proves that all it
was about all along was money.
How much money
would make it okay
for your child to be abused?
Ten million? No.
Twenty million? Oh, maybe.
I said, “To me, no amount of
money would make that okay.”
If I thought
that he had touched my son,
I would not stop
till he was behind bars.
♪ ♪
STEPHANIE: We wanted
to buy another house,
and Michael gave us a loan
at a very low percentage rate.
My husband had already
had a deposition.
We were on Michael’s camp.
My son also for Michael.
And after that was
all said and done
is when Michael
forgave the debt.
Michael said, “No, I don’t
want you to pay me anymore,”
um, “It’s a gift.”
So, he did buy us a house.
It’s just coincidental,
he wasn’t buying us off,
but the timing’s right there.
Just sounds bad.
♪ ♪
WADE: My mom and I
went to Neverland
soon after that for a few days.
You know, same sort of…
physical scenario happened,
meaning Mom stayed in one of the
rooms upstairs at Neverland, and…
and I went into Michael’s room,
and into Michael’s bed, and…
and the same sexual stuff
all happened again.
First hearing that, you know,
that he wanted to see me,
that he wanted me
to come there felt so good.
I’m back, like,
we’re coming back together.
– CROWD: Michael! Michael! Michael!
– Michael!
JAMES: He would just call
every once in a while.
He gave me a car
when I turned 16.
I was very much into filmmaking,
and I was doing
my filmmaking classes,
and Michael tells you that,
“You don’t need school.”
“Nobody who ever did
anything good goes to school.”
So, he’d say, “You don’t need it.
All you need is me.”
He very much said, you know, “You’re
gonna be like a little Spielberg.”
Michael would fund
these short films,
and I made those
all throughout high school.
And I made a 35mm
short film at Neverland.
And he talked to my parents
’cause I was in some
of the advanced classes,
and he said,
“You don’t need math.”
So, he convinced my parents
to pull me out of the classes,
so that I can kind of don’t
have to worry about studying,
and just focus on filmmaking.
And he would… he’d tell them,
“Don’t worry. I’ll be there.”
He very much is, like,
making you depend on him.
Like, “Don’t go get
an education.”
Just… I’ll take care of it.”
And then when he went away,
it just kind of derailed,
and I was pretty lost.
♪ ♪
Well, it was apparently
more than just a rumor.
Press agents have now
confirmed that Michael Jackson
and Lisa Marie Presley
are husband and wife.
NEWSWOMAN: The two say they
denied their marriage for months
in an attempt to avoid
the glare of the media.
Mrs. Presley-Jackson
issues a statement
saying she’s very much
in love with Michael
and looks forward
to raising a family.
JAMES: I remember
Michael saying to me
that he’s gonna have to…
have these public
relationships with women,
so that people don’t
think anything.
He would always say
he’s gonna get married.
He said he’d have to go
get married at some point,
but that it wouldn’t
mean anything.
STEPHANIE: So one day,
I got a phone call from Michael.
He said, “Stephanie,
I’m not gonna be able”
to come over as often.”
It was a short phone call.
Hung up, went to my husband and
said, “We’ve just been dumped.”
Yeah, it was an emptiness.
I loved him.
He was one of my children,
so it was a…
a child leaving the home.
That’s how it felt.
♪ ♪
WADE: Again,
I was seeing less of Michael.
Still talking to him but less.
Two to three times a year.
Still, every time that
I was physically with him
and stayed the night
with him anywhere,
the same sexual stuff happened.
♪ ♪
My dance world was
kind of really building,
and moving towards me
being a choreographer.
The dance studio that I had
been going to for years,
I came to them
and said I wanna teach.
They gave me a shot,
substituting for other teachers.
They gave me my own class
and really quickly,
that class became
massive, packed.
Michael was preparing
for his HIStory world tour.
I was…
brought by Michael’s driver
to the dance studio,
where Michael was rehearsing,
for me to be able to watch
rehearsal a little bit and hang out.
And that night, he took me back,
with Michael back to the hotel.
♪ ♪
And so, I’m 14
at this point, and…
I’ve had a major growth spurt.
I’m probably…
So, the same
or taller than Michael.
Just a whole different
physical vibe.
And at some point in the night,
you know, we slip
back into the routine,
the same sort of sexual stuff.
And I don’t remember how
exactly it evolved to this,
how it moved to this next stage,
but what ended up
happening is…
Michael, uh, tried to…
penetrate me, um,
in my anus, with his penis.
You know, trying for a while,
and, I guess, was able to a bit,
but it was really painful.
And too painful for me,
so, so he stopped.
Yeah, I don’t remember us, like,
talking about it
or anything like that, or…
acting like…
anything particularly different
had happened.
I think after that,
after it wasn’t working,
after it was too painful for me,
we kind of went back
to our regular sexual routine.
♪ ♪
The next morning,
Michael had like a recording
session to prepare for.
He handed me
some new, like, camera
that he had gotten,
that I could play with.
♪ ♪
I was dropped off by his driver,
um, back to my condo
in Hollywood.
And then, that afternoon,
my mother receives a phone call
from Michael’s
personal secretary
that Michael…
wants to see Wade right away.
♪ ♪
I think I was picked up
again by Michael’s driver,
and brought to the dance studio
where he was back in rehearsals.
Right away,
he just went right into it.
He was kind of
super nervous and said,
“What did you do with your
underwear from last night?”
I said, “I don’t know. I…”
“I don’t know. I took
them off and, you know,
showered and put new ones on.”
He said, “You gotta go home
and find them.'”
“And I don’t… you know…”
“I don’t know
if there’s any, um,.”
“There might be
some blood on them.”
“If there is, you gotta
get rid of them.”
♪ ♪
JOY: How long does it
take for you to get home?
WADE: Got back in the car and he
drove me back to the condo, and…
luckily, not luckily, you know,
I guess my mother hadn’t…
found them, hadn’t tried to
clean them or anything yet.
I found the underwear,
and there was
some drops of blood
on the inside.
– DAN REED: Your blood?
– My blood.
WADE: I… grabbed them,
sort of stuffed them in my pocket,
down into the garage,
and threw them in the bin.
That was the last…
sexual experience
that I remember with Michael.
Excuse me!
♪ ♪
♪ ♪
NEWSWOMAN: Wedding bells have
rung again for Michael Jackson.
The superstar is on a working
honeymoon this morning,
with his new bride in Australia.
NEWSMAN: It’s the first leg
of his HIStory world tour,
and Michael Jackson is
mixing music with marriage
in Sydney, Australia.
The Gloved One giving his hand
to longtime friend, Debbie Rowe,
who also happens to be six
months pregnant with his baby.
♪ ♪
Somewhere in 2001 or 2002,
I think some desire started
building in me to, uh,
want to try and connect
with Dad more.
And we had a couple
of phone conversations
when he was still in Australia.
He told me some stories
of his life and…
and, I don’t know, it felt like
the beginning of something.
♪ ♪
SHANE: I had moved from
Brisbane to the Gold Coast.
He was living down the coast,
so I was seeing him
a little bit more often.
We would meet
and, like, go to a pub
and play some pool and talk.
I don’t know if he was
even working at that point.
You know, he didn’t really
have any much money.
You know, I think he was
probably just living on,
you know, like the government
kind of handout.
He’d kind of gone downhill.
♪ ♪
WADE: I would see my
dad usually about…
maybe every two years.
And his mental
and emotional state
just really continued
to degrade over the years.
He was diagnosed
with bipolar disorder.
He was doing things like
disappearing in the night and,
and going on walks
through the city, through LA.
And catching buses,
and, and we’d have to find him.
SHANE: You know,
I think it kind of scared
Wade a little bit, and…
and Chantal, which didn’t help
their relationship at all.
♪ ♪
WADE: I mean,
I think it terrified me,
but my reaction to it
was just to get angry.
And like, I just
wanted him to go.
DENNIS: Should we go
on, continue?
CHANTAL: Wade really
pushed my dad away.
He didn’t understand
why he had to…
to understand him ’cause
he didn’t even know him really.
You know, didn’t feel that he
needed this person in his life.
JOY: We talked a lot,
and at some point, he said to me,
“Don’t you ever let
anybody tell you
that you did the wrong thing.”
He said, “You did
the right thing for Wade”,
and it was the right
thing for me.”
He said, “I learned to stand
on my own two feet.”
“I was so dependent on you,
“and I had to learn
to live without you,
“and stand on my own
two feet.” So, he did…
he did rise above it
for a while.
It’s only when
Shane left that, um…
he couldn’t cope anymore.
♪ ♪
SHANE: At that point, I didn’t
know if I was leaving for good.
I said,
“I’m taking six months off
to go and hang out
with the family.”
The day that I left,
my grandparents,
his mom and dad, and Dad,
came over to say goodbye
before I headed to the airport.
And I remember Dad
didn’t say a word.
Not… just, nothing at all.
He was just…
kind of like a statue.
Kind of just staring off
in the distance and, um…
and then I remember, like,
saying goodbye
and giving him a hug,
and I don’t… I don’t
even think he hugged me.
I think he just stood
there while I hugged him.
He was just, you know, like…
you know, the lights were on,
but no one was home.
♪ ♪
I feel like I’d been
here for a day, maybe.
Mom was driving
around in the car.
I get a phone call,
and it was…
like, my girlfriend at the time,
from Australia.
And she was
a police officer as well.
And she called me and said, uh,
You know, “Sorry, Shane,
but your dad’s dead.”
The day that he left,
his father hung himself.
I think my response was
just anger, at first.
“You asshole.” Basically,
I was kind of pissed off.
He had hung himself…
in his apartment.
His mom and dad found him.
– WADE: I was… in a recording session.
I was writing and producing
some music for a pop group.
Got out of the recording
session, went to my car,
and I had all these kind of
missed calls from my mother.
She told me…
“Your dad died.”
I brought all the children in…
Home for the night,
and we stayed up all night,
and we laughed and we cried
and we laughed and we cried.
But then, from…
I think, the next day…
I don’t know, I felt like
I just started (SNIFFLES)
…stitching myself up
again already.
One, two, three, four.
WADE: I mean, after the funeral
was done, and we went back
to Los Angeles,
I just went back to
the business of moving on,
and getting back to work.
♪ And I see what’s
really going on ♪
WADE: At 17, with ‘NSYNC,
I directed what I think,
at the time, was
considered the largest tour,
I mean, just in scale, the size
that had ever happened.
♪ ♪
♪ Baby, you’re not
the only one ♪
You might not have heard of
Wade Robson, but right now,
he’s one of the biggest
names in world music.
The Queensland-born 19-year-old
has found fame and fortune
as the most sought-after
hit-maker in America.
The creative force behind
pop star Britney Spears
and boy band ‘NSYNC.
after the family had moved to I.,
he started choreographing
Britney Spears.
She was so impressed, she asked
him to take creative control
of every facet of her worldwide.
Dream Within A Dream tour.
She works real hard,
so that’s important.
And I’m a workaholic,
and a slave driver, you know.
But she’s willing to put in
the work, so that’s always…
that always helps. Um…
NEWSWOMAN: You’re probably
every guy’s hero, you know that?
I guess so.
– Thank you so much, Little Rock.
You’ve been such
a wonderful audience!
WADE: Michael had some sort
of obsession with Britney.
And he would call me,
and he’d wanna know,
um, you know, what it was
like working with her,
and what she was like, and, uh,
“Isn’t she sexy?
Isn’t she beautiful?”
One and two and three and…
Wondering if I can set up,
like, a way for them to meet.
And in those conversations,
as well, Michael was really…
interested in my…
sexual life with girls.
I remember that being
just really weird,
considering Michael
and I’s whole sexual history.
It was a weird pull ’cause
while at the same time,
I mean, I still…
loved him deeply.
♪ ♪
Maybe one day,
I was gonna be the friend
for him that he could have
a real, honest,
vulnerable conversation with.
The one person that he could
really be real with.
♪ ♪
My name is Laura Primack,
and I am James’s wife.
I grew up in the suburbs
outside of Chicago.
I went to college
on the East Coast.
I went to an art school
in Rhode Island, and…
afterwards, I thought,
before I settle back home,
I should try the other coast.
There was a dive bar very close
to my apartment in Hollywood.
And I would go there on
almost a nightly basis.
One night, a girlfriend
of mine said
she wanted to go there
’cause she had a crush
on a guy in the band,
which was actually James.
He was in a band called Skylab.
The singer was British,
and the music was kind of
like Smashing Pumpkins
or Radiohead and, um,
they were really fun to watch.
They were really
good performers.
♪ ♪
So, I went to the bar
to meet her,
and she ended up
falling ill, didn’t come.
So, when James’s band was up at the
bar, buying drinks,
I decided to go up
and introduce myself.
I mean, he looked the part.
He looked awesome,
but the first thing he said
when I told him I was there
to see him ’cause my friend
thought he was cute was,
“I don’t think you’re
talking about me.”
He seemed so wholeheartedly
modest and humble and…
It just caught me off guard
’cause that’s not what I had
experienced in Los Angeles so far.
♪ ♪
She was really sweet,
and, um, she’s very upbeat.
She just turned out
to be a great person,
so I got lucky.
LAURA: I think the first night
that I went to his house,
um, it was late at night.
He probably had a band practice,
so maybe I got there at 11:00,
but he had candies
on the side of the bed,
and an intention that we were
gonna watch Harry Potter.
I mean, that was his, like, “Come on
over we’ll have a date night thing.”
And I thought the fact that he had
just bought me candies was adorable.
So, I think we moved
in together about
six months after
we’d started dating.
I think right around
that time, too,
James had been taking art
classes at a local art school
and doing his homework
in our office.
And at that point, we were
growing, we needed more help,
and our owner said, “Why don’t
come in and work with us?”
So, we went from dating,
to living together,
to living together
and working together,
so it got very
intense very quick
when you combine
all those things.
It was a pretty
traditional start.
That’s not to say that, um,
there weren’t ups and downs,
but from my perspective,
they were the kinds of ups and
downs that most relationships had.
♪ ♪
Secrets will eat you up.
It sucks life out of you,
just deteriorates
you from the inside.
Like a part of you is dead.
It kind of took everything I had
to function during the day,
to let other people see me
as a functioning person.
So, it took a lot
of effort to…
to keep it together.
And then, I would go home
and… and be a wreck.
And it was hard… I’m sure
it was hard on my wife.
♪ ♪
LAURA: You know, James had a lot of…
personality quirks.
You know, he’d go through
bouts where he just wanted
to stay in bed all weekend
and watch TV, or, um…
you know, be a little bit
more antisocial.
But, for me, especially ’cause I
know that I am a people person, I…
A lot of these things,
I just assumed were what it’s like
when you’re not a people person.
I loved it. I mean,
from my perspective,
“Oh, let’s stay in
and cuddle and watch movies,
and be in the dark and never
leave the house.”
And then, you know,
maybe after the first year, I was like,
“Well, should we just go to Target and get
groceries, or do something?” (LAUGHS)
Later on, as it didn’t
really go away, it…
You know, it could get a little
bit more boring or confusing.
♪ ♪
I couldn’t sleep, and…
I would have just
panic attacks about
things that shouldn’t give
me panic attacks, and…
One of the weird things is not
liking yourself and not knowing why.
Like, I didn’t know why
I had these problems
or felt these ways.
Constant anxiety and…
and then depression and…
not knowing why
you’re like that.
♪ ♪
When I was in my early 20s,
I did a lot of…
substances to help deal with it.
At the time, I didn’t know
that that’s what I was doing.
But then, when I got
off the substances,
and there was
nothing to mask it,
was when I was…
really noticed
that I was anxious all the time.
hell did you get up there?
Oh, baby.
It’s pretty.
My name is Amanda Robson,
and I am Wade’s wife.
Wade and I met at a nightclub,
and I was working
as a promoter there.
My girlfriend and I
were just like totally
playing around
on the dance floor,
dancing very goofy.
And Wade and his friends,
kind of like, jokingly
called us out to do
like a little battle,
which I didn’t know
who Wade was at the time.
This huge crowd
began to form around us,
and then Wade and his
friends went into this
full-on choreographed routine
and made us look
really ridiculous.
♪ ♪
My girlfriend that
I was at the club with
was like, “Do you know
who that is? That’s”
Wade Robson,
‘NSYNC’s choreographer,”
and, you know,
thought it was very cool.
And I thought he was
a total asshole.
He was 19,
and I was 22.
On our first date,
I remember him, um,
you know, mentioning
Michael Jackson was
a huge part of why
they came over from Australia,
and that Michael was his
teacher and role model.
It was like, wow,
that sounds really intense.
That’s what it
sounded like to me.
WADE: I had really
started a whole new aspect
of my adult life with Amanda.
♪ ♪
She’d, you know, been
this incredible breath
of fresh air to me.
♪ ♪
And her perspective on life,
what life meant to her,
what relationships meant to her
was just so clear.
♪ ♪
Good afternoon.
I’m Ken Shemwell,
Santa Barbara County.
In June of 2003,
the Santa Barbara County
Sheriff’s Department
received information
that a 13-year-old boy
was a possible
victim of lewd acts.
The allegation claimed that
entertainer Michael Jackson
had engaged in these
activities with the victim
while a guest
at the Neverland Ranch.
Is the manager here?
– Manager?
– Manager.
MAN: I’m gonna get a uniform for you.
MAN 2: Okay.
We got, uh…
This morning, investigators
effected the service
of a search warrant
as a part of an investigation.
♪ ♪
An arrest warrant for
Mr. Jackson has been issued
on multiple counts
of child molestation.
Boom, there’s these
new allegations.
And all of this
craziness unfolds,
I mean, that I see via the news.
♪ ♪
Good day, everyone.
Pop star Michael Jackson
is now under arrest, and,
at this hour, is in the custody
of a Santa Barbara, California
Sheriff’s department.
Michael in handcuffs was,
uh, painful to see.
NEWSMAN: When Michael
Jackson was arrested,
his mugshot was taken,
he was fingerprinted,
he gave up his passport,
and he was released
on $3 million bond.
His lawyer called the charges that could send
Jackson away to prison for years a big lie.
If anybody doesn’t think,
based upon what’s
happened so far,
that the true motivation
of these charges
and these allegations
is anything but money,
and the seeking of money,
then they’re living
in their own Neverland.
NEWSWOMAN: Jackson faces
nine charges total,
seven for committing a lewd
act on a child under 14,
and two for giving the child
an intoxicating agent
for the purpose of molestation.
We will land on you
like a ton of bricks.
We will land on you
like a hammer.
If you do anything
to besmirch
this man’s reputation,
we will unleash a legal torrent
like you’ve never seen.
We will demand…
Michael called,
and I hadn’t talked to him
in a really long time.
And I had known
of the trial, so…
I kind of saw the pattern
from before happen again.
♪ ♪
He called my parents,
and tried to convince them to…
testify for him
and get involved.
And my dad was very much
like, back to,
“Let’s protect Michael.”
Michael could do no wrong
in my husband’s eyes.
He felt what Michael did for
the world made the world happy…
All his songs about peace
and love in the world.
That’s how my husband saw
Michael… the songs he sang.
And he truly believed it.
♪ Make a better place
for you and for me ♪
STEPHANIE: I absolutely
didn’t believe the first time.
It was wrong.
It was the father’s greed.
And then the second time,
I started to question it
in my head.
NEWSWOMAN: The accuser is
reportedly a 12-year-old boy,
befriended by Jackson.
The child is
described in reports
as having met Jackson
through a charity
that grants wishes
for ill children.
♪ ♪
JOY: We didn’t know
this boy at all.
This was during a period where we really
didn’t have much to do with Michael.
Once again, I thought,
you know, this is a kid
who was suffering from
cancer, and I thought,
defending Michael,
this was just another case
where Michael’s probably paying
for all his medical bills,
and these people are
taking advantage of it.
That information
about Gavin’s mother,
she had been arrested
for shoplifting,
and she had blamed
the security people.
There was a big
thing about that.
They spin information
against the parents.
I believed it all.
He said that he wanted
to show me how to masturbate.
SHERIFF: He wanted to show
you how to masturbate?
– SHERIFF: Okay.
– GAVIN: Yeah, and then I said no.
And then he said
he could do it for me.
And did he do it for you?
Go ahead, Gavin.
It’s fine.
He put his hand in my pants.
Did he put it on the outside?
– Inside.
– Inside?
What did he do next?
He started…
masturbating me.
I told him
I didn’t want to do that.
– Did he stop?
– I told him not to.
He kept on doing it.
In the time
that I was with Wade…
you know, he didn’t hear
from Michael a whole lot.
Michael all of a sudden
started to, um,
was starting to communicate with Wade
a whole bunch and reaching out to him.
But it was like, everyday.
The first conversation
after he was arrested
was like…
a continuation, like
picking right back up
from the phone conversations
when I was 11,
and the Jordy Chandler
investigation was going on.
“Here they are again,
trying to take me down.
These evil people.”
♪ ♪
I would like to thank
the fans around the world…
MAN: Can you speak up, please?
(CHUCKLES) I would like to thank
the fans around the world
for your love and your support,
from every corner of the Earth.
My family,
who’s been very supportive.
My brother Randy,
who’s been incredible.
I wanna thank the community
of Santa Maria.
I want you to know that I…
I love the community
of Santa Maria very much.
It’s my community.
I love the people.
I will always love the people.
My children were born
in this community.
My home is in this community.
I will always love
this community
from the bottom of my heart.
That’s why I moved here.
Thank you very much.
I was 21 or 22 at this point,
and I really did not wanna
go through this again.
I did not wanna testify.
So, at some point,
I worked up the courage
to tell Michael
that I don’t wanna testify.
I remember silence
on the phone for a while.
He said, “You know, I…”
“You know, I understand. I understand
it’s really hard and it’s…”
“it’s tough to go through this with
all of the media and everything.”
“Yeah, but, you know,
we can’t let them do this to us.”
“We can’t let them take us down.”
Us, us, us, you know?
I was kind of breaking, like,
having a nervous breakdown.
And I didn’t wanna be involved.
And so I told my mom…
then that he wasn’t
a good person.
And that, um…
I don’t want them involved.
So, that was tough.
STEPHANIE: Jimmy was
over, and he said to me,
“Michael’s an evil man.”
And I just said okay.
And… I stood up
and I hugged him.
And, “Do you wanna go to…
Do you wanna go get help?”
(GASPS) “Oh, no, no, Mom!
And you can’t tell anybody!”
“You can’t…” He was so afraid
that I would tell somebody.
Super scared, like…
like a nervous-breakdown scared.
It was a begging sort of,
“You can’t tell anybody!”
“I promise that. I promise
I won’t tell anybody.”
And I felt that I had fucked up
so much the first time,
that I wasn’t the mother that
I should’ve been, guarding him,
that he’s come to me
with this truth
that’s killing him right now,
I wasn’t gonna tell anybody.
I could be there for him now.
I didn’t talk with her
really about it.
I couldn’t talk about it.
I just said enough
to, like, not get them involved.
And she never… pushed.
♪ ♪
NEWSMAN: For once in his
life, Michael Jackson
was not the center of attention,
even though this has been
a crucial day in his trial.
The focus instead
was on the defense’s
first celebrity witness,
the actor Macaulay Culkin.
– The prosecution had suggested
that in the early 1990s, he was
one of a number of young boys
who’d been sexually
abused by Jackson.
Actually, Wade had asked me not
to testify, that’s how it started.
He came to me and said,
“I do not want you
to testify this time.
I’m not going to either.”
And he said, “Just…
You know, I don’t wanna”
go through all that again.
I’ve had enough.”
I said, “Well, okay, I’m gonna
ask you as an adult now.”
He was 21 at this point. I said,
“I haven’t asked you this
“for many, many years,
since you were a child.
“But I’m gonna ask you one
more time, as an adult.
Did Michael ever do anything
inappropriate with you?”
And he, once again, looked
me in the eye and said, “No.”
He never did.”
I said, “So…”
I said, “I think
you need to testify.”
This is your friend.”
And I said,
“I think at this point,
“you and Macaulay Culkin
are probably
“the only two people in
the world who can save him.
“And if Michael goes to prison,
he won’t survive prison,
you know that.”
Like, I would have dreams and…
Of Michael being in jail
and being killed in jail,
or dying in jail.
I mean, just like…
Those two things,
Michael Jackson and jail,
just did not go together for me.
I mean, I still…
loved him deeply, you know?
NEWSMAN: Macaulay Culkin
almost single-handedly
devastated and shook
the foundation
of the prosecution’s pattern
evidence against Michael Jackson.
NEWSMAN 2: Certainly,
if the jury believes Culkin,
it will be a significant
boost for the defense.
And he asked me to testify,
and, um, I said no.
And he got really angry at me,
and, um, he threatened me.
I had never seen him this angry.
It was like, more like,
“Okay, you’re enemy now.”
He threatened me
with his lawyers,
and said that I had perjured
myself years ago,
and that he has the best
lawyers in the world and…
that they were gonna get me.
And I just said,
“I don’t want any part of it.
You’ll hear nothing from me.
You know, don’t worry.”
I was just trying
to calm him down
to get him off the phone.
♪ ♪
The last time I talked to him
was near the end of the trial.
And he tried again to…
He wanted me to testify.
And he, like,
went into a spiel about…
“I’m sorry I haven’t
been there for you,
“like, for directing
and all that stuff.
“Let’s do something.
I know I haven’t been there.”
And, uh, I cut
the conversation short.
I just said, you know,
“Just don’t call again,”
and I hung up.
And that was the last time
I spoke to him.
AMANDA: Michael,
he had been reminding Wade,
you know, how Wade
could support him
and how much he loved him.
He wanted to talk to me, saying,
you know, how much
he cared about me
and how happy I was
in Wade’s life, and…
Suddenly having a lot of, uh…
interest in Wade’s life,
and how he was doing,
and that felt
really good to Wade.
And then within…
a week or so after that,
I received a subpoena
to testify.
♪ ♪
NEWSMAN: Reportedly,
the grand jury will hear testimony
from Jackson’s now
14-year-old accuser.
But it’s also been reported
that testimony will be heard
from Jackson’s 1993
molestation case,
which was settled out of court.
I remember asking Wade,
“Nothing happened to you,
right? Like, you were never…
Like, he never did
anything to you, did he?”
I just needed to…
just put it out there.
And he assured me,
“No. No. Never.”
And I believed him.
The idea of this truth
coming out, and Amanda
knowing about it,
and my family knowing about it,
and everybody in
the entertainment business,
in my career knowing about it,
I mean, was just
a ridiculous idea
that was never going to happen,
in my mind,
because, in my mind,
my whole life would be over.
If I questioned Michael’s…
perspective, that he was
telling me about Gavin,
that I felt like I would,
you know, I would break,
like, I couldn’t be
as strong as I needed to be.
He was worried.
We had had dinner the night
before at Neverland,
and he was definitely subdued.
♪ ♪
CHANTAL: So, we were at the
ranch with all his family.
Michael didn’t look well.
He looked very sick.
His kids were there,
everybody was there.
WADE: Like, his mind was
just in a whole nother place.
I remember…
all of us sitting at dinner.
And… Paris, his daughter,
just wanting to-to…
wanting her dad’s attention.
Kind of like, pulling on his
arm, and pulling on his fingers,
and “Daddy, Daddy, Daddy!”
And he was, I mean,
he just, he wasn’t there.
I remember that,
just feeling really sad.
What if he loses?
What if he goes to jail?
You know, and these are
the last couple of times
that they see
their daddy, you know?
Which built my conviction
even that much more
to, uh, to save him.
I think that definitely
helped Wade to go into the…
you know, court room feeling,
you know, that he wanted
to support Michael,
and feeling good about that.
♪ ♪
To me, it was like
here was his, you know,
lifelong friend that
just really needed him.
Looking back,
I mean, it’s horrifying
to think about,
you know, the…
what that experience
really represented for Wade.
Love is so powerful.
And I remember how…
white he looked,
and his face was
really thin, drawn out.
Innocent! Innocent! Innocent!
He looked like a statue.
I testified, which was hard.
I mean, I think for anybody,
being on the stand
is just a scary scenario.
Because you feel like lawyers
and different are attacking you,
and they’re saying
different things, and…
you know, you have
this feeling of, like…
did I just put
my friend in jail?
I was up there
for a couple hours.
The whole scenario was intense.
Wade was up for a long time.
WADE: You know,
if this didn’t go well for Michael,
he was gonna go to jail
for the rest of his life.
I was going to my grave
with that truth,
of the sexual stuff that
happened between Michael and I.
There was no way in hell
I was ever telling
anybody in the universe.
And that was… period.
Choreographer Wade Robson
acknowledged sharing
a bed with the singer
many times when he was a child,
but he denied
ever being molested.
NEWSMAN: “Did Mr. Jackson
ever molest you at any time,”
the defense lawyer asked.
“No, never,”
Wade Robson replied.
That contradicts testimony from
a former Michael Jackson maid,
who’d said she’d seen the
singer showering with the boy.
We’ve seen a parade
of witnesses saying
Michael Jackson’s not a good
guy, this is what I saw him do.
If you can get one or two
or three people on that stand
who say,
“They were talking about me.
It never happened,”
very powerful.
Innocent! Innocent! Innocent!
JUROR: We the jury in
the above entitled case
find the defendant not guilty of
a lewd act upon a minor child.
And there it is, all 10 counts.
Not guilty on all 10 counts.
Michael Jackson will be
walking out of this courtroom
a free man.
MAN: Michael’s innocent!
Michael’s innocent!
A jury of 12 decided
the outcome of this trial.
Using the standard
of reasonable doubt,
they rendered a verdict
that was based on the facts
and evidence and within
the guidelines of the law.
We expected probably
better evidence,
you know, something that was
a little more convincing.
We just couldn’t abide
the story of the mother for one.
I disliked it intensely when
she snapped her fingers at us.
That’s when I thought,
“Don’t snap your fingers at me, lady.”
I feel that, uh, Michael Jackson
probably has molested boys.
After some of the testimony
was offered,
I can’t believe that,
that this man could sleep
in the same
bedroom for 365 straight days,
uh, and not do something more
than just watch television
and eat popcorn.
WADE: Yeah, like,
I can’t imagine if I was Gavin,
or if I was Jordy at that time.
You know, no-no justice…
(SNIFFLES) being served,
and not being believed
by so many people.
For Gavin, I wish I…
was at a place where
I could tell the truth and…
be a comrade with him.
You know, stopping
Michael and stopping
a lot of other kids
from being abused.
I just wasn’t ready.
I wasn’t able, when I was 11,
and when I was 22.
And I remember feeling
happy, for sure,
that he was acquitted,
that he wasn’t going to jail.
I didn’t believe or understand
that the sexual stuff
that happened
between Michael and I was abuse.
I didn’t feel like
I was hurt by it.
That it was anything bad
that happened to me.
At that point, it was…
I loved Michael.
Michael loved me.
This was something that
happened between us, that’s it.
But I still had absolutely no
understanding that I was affected.
Or any feeling that
I was affected negatively.
♪ ♪
♪ ♪
In other news, could
Michael Jackson be planning
a comeback right
here in Las Vegas?
Lately, he has been
hiding out overseas,
making no public
appearances at all,
until, that is, Christmas Eve,
when he suddenly showed up
here at Caesar’s Palace,
out of the blue,
and began doing holiday
shopping with his kids.
♪ ♪
I was in Vegas for…
maybe about six months,
and I was choreographing
a Cirque Du Soleil show.
And at that point, Michael was
living in Vegas with his kids.
I wanted him to come see
the show,
and I asked him to write
some words
for the dancers in the show, some words of
inspiration before opening night and…
And one of the things he kept…
asking as we were
planning getting together was,
“You know, make sure… you’re
gonna bring some wine? Yeah?”
So, this was a new dynamic,
which I liked as well ’cause I,
you know, me trying to have this
kind of normal experience with him.
Like, wow, cool. I’ll be able
to sit there with Michael
and have a glass of wine and…
talk about real
stuff and, you know.
♪ ♪
Amanda and I go
to the grocery store and get
hot dogs and all
that kind of stuff,
and couple bottle
of wines and…
and go to the house.
And so, it’s Michael
and the three kids.
You know, once we got in,
one of the first
things he asked was,
“Did you bring the wine?”
We had some, um,
those sort of larger
red plastic cups
and he grabbed one
of those and just
filled one up to the brim,
you know, with white wine,
and just chugged it down,
and then he kept going back
and was filling it up and…
So, I mean, this was
my first experience
of ever seeing him drink at all.
It was nice, and we would
crack some jokes.
There was still that feeling
of kind of reminiscing
about our relationship
from the past.
We watched a movie
with the kids.
You know, he just kept…
kept drinking.
And then at some point,
we’re getting kind
of into the evening,
Michael says, “I’m gonna
go upstairs for a second.”
Thirty minutes goes by,
an hour goes by, um,
you know, nothing from Michael,
he never comes back down.
Probably an hour,
hour and a half,
and we’re just there with the
kids, and it’s getting late now.
It’s like 10,
or something like that.
So, Amanda and I are like,
“What do we…?” (CHUCKLES)
You know, “What do we do?”
And I remember
asking the kids, like,
“Do you wanna go check on…
on your dad, if he’s okay?”
And they were just
sort of like, “Nah.”
He’s fine.”
Like it was, I mean,
it was noth…
It seemed like it was nothing
out of the ordinary for them.
And that was
the last time I saw him.
♪ ♪
We’re getting some
breaking news coming into
the Situation Room right now.
– What are we picking up?
– Apparently, Michael Jackson
suffered cardiac
arrest this afternoon.
He was rushed
to UCLA Medical Center.
CNN sources are now saying,
multiple sources,
that Michael Jackson
is in a coma.
You see the number of people
that have already gathered
outside the hospital.
If that isn’t testament
to the star power
of Michael Jackson,
I don’t know what is.
♪ ♪
I was in my house.
I was working on some
choreography for a show.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
And I believe it
was a friend of mine
who texted me and said,
“Turn on the news.
♪ ♪
I think the first image I saw
was the paramedics
that were carrying Michael
to the hospital.
You know, that Michael had had
some sort of cardiac arrest
or something like that.
BLITZER: And we’re just
getting this in right now,
and it’s very, very sad news,
Jim Moret
and to all of our viewers.
Both the Los Angeles Times
and CBS News are
both now reporting
that Michael Jackson has died.
CNN can now confirm
from the I. Coroner
that Michael Jackson is dead.
NEWSWOMAN: Jackson appeared to
have suffered from cardiac arrest.
He was 50 years old.
Michael! Michael! Michael…
CHANTAL: It’s not
like I just got a call
from my friend’s mother
to tell me that my friend died.
You know, you’re watching it,
like, on a newscast.
You know, just a whole
different way of finding out
that somebody you know died,
and I’m a mess.
– Are you serious?
– NEWSWOMAN: Yeah, no, he died of a heart attack tonight in LA.
– MAN: A heart attack!?
♪ ♪
CHANTAL: So much of my
story, so much of my life,
has been him,
you know, I came to America.
Like, everything, and he’s been
such a big part of our life…
then all of sudden, just gone.
WADE: I guess you’d
call it being in shock.
I mean, just being…
numb and not believing.
JAMES: I was at work,
and I think a friend of mine texted.
Said, “I’m sorry,”
and I was like, for what?
And then I looked on
the news and saw it and…
I was sad.
My first reaction
was being really sad.
It’s like we would
never be friends again.
I’d never know him again.
I danced when
I heard that he died.
I was laying in bed.
The news came on.
I got out of bed and I was,
“Oh, thank God. He can’t
hurt anymore children.”
Those were my thoughts,
and I danced.
He can’t hurt anymore children!
(SIGHS) I was so happy he died.
I had a jacket that
Michael had given me.
I curled up in bed
with the jacket for a week.
I could not believe it.
It was like, it was losing
a family member.
We had loved him
for a long time.
We’d been friends
with him for over 20 years.
It was hard to accept.
♪ ♪
CHANTAL: You know,
you drive in the car,
and you hear
their music and you cry.
It’s all around
you all the time,
so you grieve for multiple
days, you know, and you have
beautiful moments where you
remember beautiful memories
of being at the ranch
and all these great things
and remembering him
as a beautiful person,
but then also being…
feeling really sad.
♪ ♪
I didn’t know how to feel.
I just kind of started going for
walks around the neighborhood.
And, you know, people are
trying to call me like crazy,
and get in contact with me, and
I didn’t wanna talk to anybody.
I didn’t wanna talk
to my mother,
I didn’t wanna talk to anyone.
♪ ♪
AMANDA: I remember him
just sitting on curbs
and just being really
incredibly emotional.
A lot of…
yeah, a lot of, like,
curling up and crying.
WADE: And the press inquiries were
coming through my agents and…
and it got to the point
where they finally said to me,
“Listen, you gotta
do a statement.”
So, I remember going to…
a sort of park in Santa Monica
to sit down and try and…
figure out what I wanted to say.
It was extremely
loving and grateful
for Michael in my life,
and talking about
he’s the reason I dance,
the reason I make music,
and ending with, you know,
“I’ll never stop missing him, but…”
You know, “Now, he’s…”
Something along the lines of,
“Now, he’s,” uh…
“blessing the heavens
with a melody and a moonwalk.”
Something like that.
JOE JACKSON: He tried his
hard to please everybody.
The sick, he donates
so much money to the sick.
He helped the blind.
He helped…
everybody that needed help,
and he was glad to do it.
I’ve seen Michael
help so many people,
and sometimes,
he would go and cry about it
because he felt sorry for
the people that he was helping.
♪ ♪
JAMES: Michael had a
lot of great attributes,
and he was great
in a lot of ways,
and you loved him
in a lot of ways.
And then…
you know, Michael does
these things to you
that are not healthy,
but you still have…
um, you still have love for him.
So, it’s really hard to…
have those two feelings
I still today…
am grappling with that.
♪ ♪
NEWSMAN: It is estimated
that before it’s over,
this will be viewed by between
750 million
to a billion people
around the world.
CHANTAL: We were contacted
to come to the funeral.
You know, we went to the big
funeral at the Staples Center.
♪ We are the world ♪
♪ We are the children ♪
♪ We are the ones who make
the brighter place ♪
♪ So let’s start giving ♪
♪ Let’s start giving ♪
WADE: I mean,
that was a surreal experience.
I mean, not your average
memorial or funeral.
♪ It’s true,
we make a better… ♪
You know, musical performances
Michael’s image
up on the massive screen.
CHANTAL: You know, at first it felt
like, oh, this is a big hoopla.
But it actually was
really nice,
respectful, you know.
The fans, everybody, were quiet.
It actually felt like
a ceremony and…
it was very emotional for
all of us that were there.
JOY: Wade sobbed at
the memorial service
like I’ve never heard him sob.
He put his head in his hands,
and actually sobbed and sobbed.
He didn’t do that
when his father died.
That’s the last time I remember
crying about him being dead.
And then, I went back to work.
I mean…
I went back to work, full pelt.
WADE: Left right,
left right, left right…
Step! Step!
You know, it was
a new phase in my career in,
kind of, choreography
and stage directing.
Clap! Clap!
Amanda and I were married now.
We were starting to work together a
bit, creatively.
The phones are ringing! Like, say
yes, yes! You know, work begets work.
Like this is time to explode.
This is what you’ve been working for.
But he’d be in the adrenaline
of a job,
and it was always followed
by lulls of depression.
WADE: You know,
I’m just a perfectionist, and…
I just was never really
able to enjoy my work.
It wasn’t fun,
and the more success I gained,
the less fun it became.
It was just more about pressure.
♪ ♪
AMANDA: And he went
through this really
dark, sort of sad,
lonely… a depression, in a way.
I don’t know what’s going on. I think I’m
gonna have a heart attack or something.
He was freaking out.
He was so afraid that
whatever decision he made
was gonna be the wrong one.
“I’ve gotta stop, like…
I can’t go through this
and not figure
out what’s wrong.”
♪ ♪
So, we were all struggling,
trying to find out
what all this was about.
WADE: Amanda is so clear about
how she felt about everything,
and could communicate it,
and I just couldn’t.
I would be sad,
I would get angry, and I just…
And she would ask me
what’s wrong,
and I would just say
I don’t know.
♪ ♪
We had been working a ton,
traveling a lot, doing lots
of exciting work, and…
I remember telling
myself, you know,
when I can’t think of anything
but becoming a mom,
that will be the time that,
you know, we think
about starting a family.
And Koa arrived on this Earth,
November 10th, 2010.
I just entered this
state of absolute euphoria,
thinking, like, this is
the most important job
I’ve ever had, being a father.
Koa’s birth was, um,
directly aligned
with, uh, Wade receiving,
um, his dream job opportunity.
You know, Michael had
always prophesied to Wade
that he would be
a film director,
like Steven Spielberg
film director,
that that’s what
he was working towards.
You know, so these are
kind of two really, uh,
intense life happenings
at the same time.
Becoming a father
and getting my first gig
as a feature film director.
The demands of the film
started to become more apparent.
It was a big budget film,
and there’s a lot of people
looking for answers from him,
in reference to story, in reference
to, you know, production.
And fatherhood was
also on his plate.
I stopped being able
to sleep at all.
Lying in bed
for eight, nine hours,
staring at the walls.
Stressed and anxiety
and fears beyond belief.
It gets to the point
where I’m barely operating.
I remove myself from the film.
I remove myself from any work.
I disappeared from the world.
You know, agents, managers,
“Don’t call me.”
I was barely talking
to my family.
AMANDA: Whatever was
going on inside of him,
I mean, it was relentless.
♪ ♪
JAMES: They say time heals all
wounds, but that…
I don’t think
time heals this one.
It just gets worse.
You can’t talk to anybody
about it. You don’t…
You don’t get advice
or a perspective.
You’re stuck…
keeping a secret, and then…
So, you don’t ever…
You don’t ever figure it out.
You’re just stuck.
I could see he was
having a rough time,
just with his body
language, and I…
“Do you… Honey, do you
want to go to a psychiatrist?”
“No!” That was an absolute no.
He just wouldn’t talk.
He wouldn’t open up.
Jimmy wouldn’t, was…
He was different.
It’s fine for brief moments,
but when you spend years
like that,
and you don’t sleep well…
you kind of go crazy.
When Cillian was born,
he had a little bit
of a breakdown.
And again,
me being me, I thought,
“Well, this must happen to dads
when they have their first kid.
“It just makes people feel
scared,” and I understood, and…
I-I know I’m probably
sounding incredibly naive,
but some of the things
he did and didn’t do,
I just attributed to…
this is our life.
This is, you know,
he sleeps an awful lot,
and so I’ll stay up
and I’ll take care of the kids,
or, you know, he can’t be around
the friends and the schools
the way I am, so I’ll do that.
It was sort of survival mode,
I guess, is a good way to put it.
It was like, this is our
scenario, and we love each other,
so we’re gonna work around
whatever this is.
I think the…
abuse symptoms intensify
when you have kids.
Like, it ramps up even more.
♪ ♪
And then you see
how, like, innocent kids are.
I think having kids…
kind of shoves
that in your face.
He’s getting closer to the age
I was when I was abused.
♪ ♪
So, that is difficult
to deal with and see…
Watch him kind of
become you at that age.
♪ ♪
Found a therapist.
Trying to figure out
what the hell was wrong with me.
I went through
the story of my life,
and I went through the…
story of my life with Michael,
but just… the good parts,
just the creative inspiration,
and the work,
and friendship,
and all of that stuff.
And I was saying things
at this point, like, to Amanda,
“I don’t know…
I don’t know who I am.
“Like, I don’t know what I want.
“I don’t know left from right.
“All I know is you and Koa.
Like, that’s all that makes
any sense to me.”
♪ ♪
It was so incredibly
’cause for him to just sit still…
he was just terr…
There was just terror
in his eyes, all the time.
♪ ♪
I would tell myself,
like, on our porch,
like, “Just keep it together,”
like, “It’s gonna be okay.”
We’re gonna… He’s gonna be okay.
We’re gonna figure this out.”
♪ ♪
WADE: So, at this point, Koa is about…
a year and a half.
I start to…
have these images of…
the kind of sexual stuff
that happened
between Michael and I
happening to Koa.
And seeing…
Michael doing it to Koa,
what he did to me.
And my immediate…
…emotional, uh, reaction
to-to having those images
is just this, uh, rage and…
disgust and…
you know, violent feeling.
Like, I would kill anyone who
did anything like that to Koa.
What I started thinking was…
you know, how…
how can I have such…
clear feelings,
negative, horrible
feelings about the idea
of that sexual stuff
happening to Koa,
but when I think
about Michael and I,
and all of that sexual stuff
going on… (SNIFFLES)
I don’t…
I don’t feel anything.
♪ ♪
That’s probably kind of weird.
And I start thinking, you know,
if I’m gonna go into therapy
and try and really
get to the bottom
of whatever the hell is
going on with me,
I probably have to talk about
the sexual stuff that went on.
♪ ♪
I go in for a session
with Dr. Shaw.
“You know,
all the stuff about, um…”
“all the allegations,
and, like, Michael Jackson…”
“molesting kids
and all that stuff, um…”
“It was, uh…
It was true. It happened to me.”
♪ ♪
AMANDA: There were little things that
we would try and do and look forward to.
Dinners or something, you know,
to try and put on a happy face,
and to, like, look forward
to something,
instead of, like,
the dread and fear of…
our reality.
SHANE: Wade and Amanda were
living in Santa Monica,
and food trucks were, like,
the big thing in I. at the time.
And I spoke with Erica, my wife,
on the phone
as I’m driving there.
And she, uh, she says, uh…
“I gotta tell you about a crazy,
crazy dream I had last night.”
Wade had told her
that Michael Jackson
had abused him.
Uh, she said it was so real,
she woke up from the dream
actually crying about it.
My brother and Amanda
go and walk towards
the food trucks,
and we’re waiting for some food,
and we’re just chatting,
and my brother…
comes out of nowhere
and says, uh,
“You know, my wife had
this crazy dream.”
Like, my first instinct
when he said that was to…
crack a joke.
And a joke that had sort of
become kind of standard for me,
which was, you know,
“Yeah, man. I don’t know.
I mean, if it… was true,
“I don’t know why
I wasn’t sexy enough.
Like, what was wrong with me?”
And that was my instinct,
to kind of go right to that joke.
But I just couldn’t,
I couldn’t this time.
I mean, this was, like,
just an hour and a half ago
that I had told Dr. Shaw
for the first time.
So, my head just dropped.
And then I just kind of,
I just looked up and said,
“It is true.”
And, um, and I’m looking at him,
and I’m like, is he telling me
a joke or something right now?
And I’m like,
“What do you mean?”
And all sorts of things
are going through my head,
like the amount of years that,
you know,
he’s defended this guy.
I remember, uh, Amanda…
…was, uh, was on my left,
and I remember,
physically, she just, um…
she just caved in,
like someone punched
her in the chest.
And my brother sort of had
the opposite physical reaction.
Like, his chest
kind of puffed out.
He got… angry.
I think his
first word was, “What?”
There was a real kind
of anger in his eyes.
The… It’s like the world was,
kind of like spinning,
and all I could see was
Chantal was holding Koa.
So, it’s like a blur,
and I just honed in on Koa,
and I needed to hold him.
And then they come over to me,
and as soon as
they come to the table,
Shane turns to me, and he says,
“Wade, tell Chantal
what you just told us.”
My sister’s always been the one in
my life who’s… more emotional,
like much more readily available,
wears her heart on her sleeve.
And I remember the look
in her eyes and just, um…
her just staring at me,
and just tears, you know.
I was hurt and angry for Wade.
I was upset for myself
and my relationship that I had,
and then I was really
scared for my mom.
I was afraid that my mom
would commit suicide.
‘Cause it’s not like
it was uncommon for me.
But I was afraid that my mom
would do something to herself,
because of the shame of,
you know, her not knowing or…
you know.
It’s like this was the…
The story that I had been
telling all these years…
…the lies that I had
been telling about,
you know, that none of this
sexual stuff ever happened,
like, that was… that story…
that version of
the story was the…
the whole foundation of my life,
and my sister’s,
and my brother’s life.
I mean, like,
my whole life with
Michael is the reason…
my family split apart,
and we moved to America,
and, you know, like,
it’s all wrapped up in that.
And now it’s like this whole…
the whole foundation of this
story was bullshit, you know?
♪ ♪
But there’s a child.
The fact that I needed
to take care of him,
whatever he needed next,
got us home.
And now it’s my and Wade’s
first time alone.
And he’s like, “Do you
wanna ask me anything?”
And I… And I said,
“Are you confused?”
Like is there any confusion
as to like how…
“What is like appropriate
to how you love Koa?”
And Wade was like,
“Absolutely not.”
I had no knowledge
of child sexual abuse,
or the, um,
psychological way
it plays out into adulthood.
You know, I was incredibly naive
on the subject.
So, to me, you know,
the fact that he had…
had lied about it to me,
I thought the repercussions must
be something that… affected…
That he was scared of in relation to
me, or to us, or his…
I don’t know.
It’s like I… I used to be
the person that said…
you know,
“Oh, that person’s after money,
or they’re trying to bring
Michael down, and he’s famous.”
And I was the person
that said all that.
You know, and then now being
on the other side of it…
you know, now I understand why
people are saying that to me,
but at the same time,
it’s like…
you know, I’m awake now.
It’s like I see the reality,
and I see the truth,
and I, you know,
the pattern of what happened,
and-and that it happened
to my brother.
But I feel so bad
for every little boy
prior that tried to talk,
and got shut up really fast.
It’s so hard to believe
that he would do that
to a little boy,
someone as beautiful
and talented as Wade was.
It’s just overwhelming
to think that.
He’s ruined, here,
a lot of lives,
a lot of lives.
What began to happen
was just this… (SIGHS)
…emotional, like,
upheaval that was just…
all of these…
anger and sadness and…
you know, back and forth,
all over the place, unpredictable.
I mean, just coming out
of me constantly.
After about…
two weeks after I first told Dr. Shaw,
I, uh, I told Mom I wanted her
to come into a therapy
session with me.
I didn’t tell her why.
I spent 30 minutes
with the therapist first,
just to have a chat,
talk about things.
So then…
after 30 minutes,
Wade joined us,
and we sat together
on the couch, and…
he turned to me and said…
that Michael Jackson
had abused him
from age seven to 14.
Uh… It was like
being hit by a truck.
I really didn’t know.
I remember her just…
I mean, just…
tears streaming down
her face instantly,
and this kind of
collapse in her body,
and then she just…
kind of reached out
to grab me and she…
The first thing she said was,
“How could you not…
“How could you not have told me?
How could you not have told me?”
That’s a real
complicated question.
You know, I couldn’t…
I couldn’t answer that question.
I held him and held him.
We sobbed together.
And I said, “Well,
I have to take some…”
“of the blame for this.
I am your mother,
and I didn’t protect you.”
And that’s what he wanted
to hear, apparently.
I couldn’t really…
I don’t know,
I couldn’t really hug her yet.
I mean, I just…
Very beginning for me
and very confused about, uh…
just my relationship
with, with Mom.
I was angry… at my mom.
I was angry at my mom
before that.
I was angry for her breaking up the
family, to start with, for this whole…
Michael Jackson nonsense.
Like, I don’t care
who some guy is,
how do you leave your
seven-year-old or eight-year-old kid
to have sleepovers
at their house?
I mean, that’s
just fucking crazy.
Like, as a parent,
I don’t understand
how that is even possible.
For five months after that,
Amanda wouldn’t allow me
into their home.
Wade and I would meet
so that I could see Koa.
We’d have to meet in a park.
I was so hurt. I was so…
I’d always had such a great relationship
with Amanda and all my family.
I’ve never had
anything like this happen.
That was the hardest
thing for me to deal with.
And I thought she blamed me.
Now, I’m hearing stories about
what was done to his young body,
with his mom…
close by, in-in another room.
Me being a young mom,
you know, and my just,
you know, how could you ever
let your young child sleep
in the bed of a stranger?
You know, I just
couldn’t comprehend it.
Wade and I met…
he said there’s things
that he needed to say to me.
He told me…
that he felt no emotion for me.
As a mother, that’s like,
the last thing you wanna
hear from your child.
He said he had no…
had no feelings for me.
You know, I remember
asking her, like,
“How did you not know?”
You know, and she just
kept saying, “I don’t know.”
“I don’t know. I don’t know
how I didn’t know.
“You don’t think…
“that I wish I knew?
You know, that I…
“that I wish I didn’t
see this?” You know.
But it’s changed,
it affected everyone’s lives.
My family’s life, the anger from
my family in Australia, and…
the anger from my family
towards my mother, like…
it goes so deep.
She did everything she could.
She turned her life upside down…
even her marriage.
She had turned everything
upside down because of Michael.
It’s not easy to accept,
even at this stage.
The… The abuse…
was a bomb
that dropped in our life
and exploded,
like, you know, and ripped apart
everything that we found sound
and secure and safe.
♪ ♪
LAURA: Of course, I want James
to be happy and feel better,
but I don’t always know
how to get him there.
A few things had happened, um,
that just, sort of,
sent him on a spiral.
His father got sick,
work got very challenging.
All these things were coming
together, and, um,
he just…
he went some place else.
He went to a dark place.
♪ ♪
He started drinking a lot.
He started going out at night.
Um, he wouldn’t come home.
During that time was the first
time we were really fighting.
I didn’t understand
what was going on at all.
That was the first time
we ever talked about,
you know, this isn’t
a relationship right now.
Is this heading towards
divorce? I mean,
that was the first time we ever
talked about things like that.
JAMES: I had, like,
a lot of self-hatred,
and I didn’t know why.
And you’re not
putting it on him.
You’re putting it on yourself.
You think it’s your doing.
That’s part of the manipulation.
People, they might look
at me and see a grownup,
but you… need to see
we’re mentally little kids.
We’ve just gotten…
just gotten older.
♪ ♪
Good morning.
Good to see you.
You know that the things you’re
gonna say here this morning,
and perhaps in a court of law,
are gonna get a lot of attention,
make a lot of headlines.
So, before I ask you specifics,
what’s your mindset right now?
What’s my mindset. Um…
I feel strong. I feel…
like this is
the right thing to do,
– ’cause this is my truth.
– Despite what some people
– may say after you say these things?
– Yes.
I had to defend the lie,
you know, for so many years.
And I didn’t wanna do
that anymore.
You know, I was just
trying to declare this
whole new life for myself,
based on the truth.
Let me take you back
to 2005, Wade, all right,
the child molestation trial
of Michael Jackson.
You were the first witness
called by the defense,
and the attorney for Michael
Jackson said he called you first
because you were so
convincing and powerful,
asserting the innocence
of Michael Jackson.
And here we are these years
later, and you’re going to say
– just the opposite.
– WADE: Right.
– LAUER: What happened?
First of all, one thing
I wanna clear up is that
this is not a case
of repressed memory.
– Which has been reported in the press.
– Yeah.
I never forgot one moment
of what Michael did to me.
But I was psychologically
and emotionally
completely unable and unwilling
to understand that
it was sexual abuse.
So, what are you alleging
that he actually did?
He sexually abused me
from seven years old until 14.
And even though
there’s lots of…
parts of it that are still…
scary and uncomfortable, um,
to talk about
these sort of things,
and talk about these
sexual details and this…
crazy stuff that happened
between Michael and I…
it still feels
a whole lot better than…
than the lie did.
You have these symptoms,
and then you find out that
somebody else has them and…
and then they went through
something that you went through.
I really just wanted to talk
to Wade ’cause…
you feel so alone.
♪ ♪
I think I told my wife
after Wade…
came out,
maybe a few weeks after.
Telling her was…
like, no going back.
At that point in time, we had
a computer in our bedroom,
and I was working late at night.
And he was sitting
at the edge of the bed,
just waiting for me to finish,
which was not like him.
And I, you know, was working,
working, working. He’s like,
“Can you please just stop?” And
he sounded so irritated with me.
I was like, you know,
what the heck?
I turn off the computer,
and I turned around,
and that’s when I saw how
serious and sad his face was.
And he said, “Laura,
I have to tell you something.”
And he just said,
“Bad things have happened.
“You know, Michael wasn’t…
He wasn’t a good guy.” And…
he just clearly was
a ball of emotions,
and, um, and I was scared.
It was just like
a punch in the chest.
You’re not positive
it’s the right decision…
and then thinking that
that action’s gonna ruin
your life…
is… I can… I don’t know.
I can’t even, I can’t describe
how scary it is.
It wasn’t a heavy,
long conversation.
It was a cry.
He sort of just…
We gave each other a hug,
and he showed me
Wade’s interview,
and he just sort of cried and…
He didn’t go into
much detail then.
It was just more of this like…
Oh, wow. Our life
just got heavy.
It still feels shameful.
I still have…
feelings that it was…
like, my fault.
♪ ♪
And now, TMZ breaks the news
to pop star Omarion
that Wade Robson
is suing Michael Jackson
for child sex abuse!
– What?
He’s suing Mike?
– Yes.
– MJ? The person that’s dead?
All of the above, actually!
He said Michael never touched
me, but, yes, I slept in his bed,
by myself with him,
and he was in his 30s, I was seven.
He should sue his mom
for letting him go sleep
with Michael Jackson
when he’s seven years old.
Wade Robson, I put
him on as my witness
and he was subjected to
a withering cross-examination
by prosecutor Ron Zonen from the Santa
Barbara District Attorney’s Office.
I mean, Ron went after him,
and Ron’s a good prosecutor.
He would not waver. He was
adamant he was never touched.
And my understanding was Safechuck
repeatedly said the same thing.
So, to suddenly come
back years later,
and say we want
millions of dollars,
we were brainwashed,
we had repressed memory,
we didn’t face the facts,
we didn’t deal with reality…
I just find very,
very suspicious.
The story just keeps changing.
His story
keeps changing.
I have really fucking
had it with you, dude.
Fuck you.
Fuck you to fucking hell.
Fuck you, Wade!
Fuck, I hate you so much!
♪ ♪
The die-hard Michael fans,
some of them are…
very, um… hateful.
It’s been scary for me,
as a mom, with our child.
You know, in regard to the,
the threats that come from…
that Wade receives.
I’m not gonna lie
and say that that’s not hard…
to see and to hear and to feel,
um, people not believing me,
and people thinking
that it’s all about the money,
about nothing but the money.
NEWSREADER 1: A judge has
dismissed a choreographer’s claim
that Michael Jackson
molested him as a child.
Los Angeles Superior Court
Judge Mitchel Becklov
dismissed Wade Robson’s
claim on Tuesday,
after determining he waited
too long to file it in court.
NEWSREADER 2: He did not
rule on the credibility
of Robson’s
allegations themselves.
MAN: This is where they
officially threw out his case.
These people don’t
even know Michael.
They know Michael Jackson,
the amazing musician,
and the amazing superstar.
I’m not taking anything away from
Michael’s talent as a superstar.
But as a man, as a human being,
he’s hurt people.
And those people that he’s hurt
should have a chance
to talk about it,
and they should be
allowed to be okay.
The way that I understand it,
it’s very common
for this type of abuse to be
registered later in life.
That when you’re that
small and that hurt,
you don’t even understand
what’s happened to you.
So, I mean, we can’t change it.
Michael’s gone,
but it doesn’t change the fact
that he destroyed these people,
and that the world still
goes on loving him.
♪ ♪
JAMES: He had so many
good parts about him.
People think his music’s
great, so he’s great.
And people grew
up with him, too,
’cause he was a star
since he was a little kid.
So, to think that that person
is doing the worst
possible things to kids…
you know, that’s tough,
I think, for people to…
wrap their heads around.
I didn’t protect my son.
That will always,
always haunt me.
I had one job. I had one child.
And I had one job.
And I fucked up.
♪ ♪
So, I had all these months
of loving my life with Michael,
and traveling, and living
the good life, so to speak,
all those wonderful memories…
it was all based on, um,
the suffering of my son.
My son had to suffer
for me to have this life.
♪ ♪
My son is messed up today
because of it.
And I’m messed up
today because of it.
So you keep secrets and secrets,
and secrets kill you.
And everything’s been
a secret…
and finally, can say something.
JOY: I don’t wanna know too
much about what went on.
I don’t wanna have
that discussion with him
because that would give
me nightmares.
I don’t wanna hear that,
so I have not really had
a discussion about
the sexual side of it.
I don’t know what else
I could’ve done,
but whatever it is,
I wish I had.
I don’t know if I’ll ever really
fully forgive her to what
happened to the family
and what happened to Wade.
Um, I still love her and all.
You know, still support her
as much as I can, but…
there’s some things that
I don’t know if you…
I don’t know if I can forgive.
♪ ♪
AMANDA: I don’t know how many
there are that Michael abused,
but you can only imagine
what the power that he had
and the influence that he had.
We, like, the public knows
how many children were there.
And then there’s all the children
that we don’t know about.
♪ ♪
WADE: If my story of
abuse with Michael and…
and all of the ways
that it affected me…
if speaking that truth,
other survivors of
child sexual abuse,
at the hands of anybody,
could be helped in any way,
shape or form,
by me coming forward
and speaking it,
I wanted to be able to do that.
I wanna be able
to speak the truth…
as loud as I had to speak
the lie for so long.
♪ ♪
JOY: It’s just the
fame, the whole thing,
you do get caught up in it.
Maybe I can forgive him,
at some point,
if I tried to understand
that he was sick…
but forgiving myself
is another thing.
I don’t know if
I will ever do that.
STEPHANIE: He took my
son’s childhood away.
He took the man
he could’ve been away.
He was a pedophile.
JAMES: I think they thought
they were doing the right thing,
and he’s the biggest star,
and he’s gonna…
“I’m gonna help your son, and…
“You’re son’s amazing,
and I’m gonna be there
for him.”
It’s all a big seduction.
So, do I blame them?
I’m still working on it.
♪ ♪
♪ ♪
♪ ♪


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